New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
dvs_dave said:
All sounds very promising and the mule sounds spectacular.
Have to echo the comment about cat heat management being an issue. It's no surprise and one that GM should already know how to solve given all the development dollars he spent on getting a similar system to work in the SLR. Is there some sort of patent on that system meaning TVR have to come up with their own solution I wonder?
If there is they could just knock on the door of the licensing dept at GM and ask for a license......Have to echo the comment about cat heat management being an issue. It's no surprise and one that GM should already know how to solve given all the development dollars he spent on getting a similar system to work in the SLR. Is there some sort of patent on that system meaning TVR have to come up with their own solution I wonder?
V8Bart said:
Pretty embarrassing and unprofessional the way all this is being handled.
TVR needed a solid car and professional business operation, it seems anything but....
Poor show Les.
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.TVR needed a solid car and professional business operation, it seems anything but....
Poor show Les.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
Snakes said:
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
what he saidIf someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
fatbutt said:
Snakes said:
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
what he saidIf someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
FAN-OF-TVR said:
fatbutt said:
Snakes said:
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
what he saidIf someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
It is a sham the way this has been conducted - right from the outset IMO.
Lower deposits from club members and sod all for just owners - diabolical!
There have been no talk of escroes or other money protection schemes, just give us your hard earned and trust us........dont think so.
Took me a long time to earn my dosh and not about to give it away to anyone that cannot even present a robust business plan to its 'investors'.
Pity really as if and when a car finally does present itself, it will no doubt be very good.
Cant see myself owning one as TVR dont want existing owners that have supported the marque, car club members are far too important.
Rant over
FAN-OF-TVR said:
fatbutt said:
Snakes said:
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
what he saidIf someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
AMDBSTony said:
FAN-OF-TVR said:
fatbutt said:
Snakes said:
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
what he saidIf someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
It is a sham the way this has been conducted - right from the outset IMO.
Lower deposits from club members and sod all for just owners - diabolical!
There have been no talk of escroes or other money protection schemes, just give us your hard earned and trust us........dont think so.
Took me a long time to earn my dosh and not about to give it away to anyone that cannot even present a robust business plan to its 'investors'.
Pity really as if and when a car finally does present itself, it will no doubt be very good.
Cant see myself owning one as TVR dont want existing owners that have supported the marque, car club members are far too important.
Rant over
AMDBSTony said:
...Took me a long time to earn my dosh and not about to give it away to anyone that cannot even present a robust business plan to its 'investors'...
That's your prerogative and I assume you've not placed a deposit. Neither did I but I am watching the new LE TVR with interest and wish them success. Once the product is launched and has been in the market for a year or so I may buy one. It's really not worth getting het up over. 
RichB said:
AMDBSTony said:
...Took me a long time to earn my dosh and not about to give it away to anyone that cannot even present a robust business plan to its 'investors'...
That's your prerogative and I assume you've not placed a deposit. Neither did I but I am watching the new LE TVR with interest and wish them success. Once the product is launched and has been in the market for a year or so I may buy one. It's really not worth getting het up over. Spent the afternoon watching GP with GM and there isn't a lot to add... 'cept GMD is working on styling - looks fab - side exhausts as mentioned - wind tunnel next, top spec model out first - coupe, ground effect.
There's sensitive stuff I can't add, but all looks good - timescale still 'fluid'. Nuff said.
Much more info on the Ox thread. (to come).
There's sensitive stuff I can't add, but all looks good - timescale still 'fluid'. Nuff said.
Much more info on the Ox thread. (to come).
Edited by GetCarter on Wednesday 21st September 08:02
FAN-OF-TVR said:
AMDBSTony said:
FAN-OF-TVR said:
fatbutt said:
Snakes said:
For F**k's Sake man. What planet are you on? They are starting what is essentially a new company and are having to identify and recruit key staff and develop a brand new product and locate and fit out somewhere to build it and a million other things and you feel it is all pretty embarrassing? I just don't understand why you, and others, are being so unrealistic and unreasonable.
If someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
what he saidIf someone had told you, when TVR collapsed after the Nikolai Smolenski debacle, that in ten years time a British bloke would come along who has the finances in place, has a track record as a successful businessman, who is a petrolhead, who understands the TVR USP and DNA, who would convince Gordon Murray, the designer one of the purest and lightest "analogue" supercars, to be a major part of the project, who would decide on a carbon fibre body and then opt for a reliable V8 engine, developed for the car by Cosworth (designers and builders of the most successful formula one engine) which would have side-exiting exhausts, I think you would have been applauding and cheering. Instead there appear to be tens of so-called TVR admirers/owners/fans moaning and being totally negative.
Those who have placed a deposit have done so because they want the option to be able to buy the car as and when it becomes available. They realise that the exact date is hard to accurately pinpoint but, hell, they have waited ten years so one or two more won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. When they get to see the exterior and interior details of the car at the deposit-holder customer clinics and hear the price they can make the decision, based on a fair amount of detail, about whether or not to proceed. In the meantime, they will be patient and enjoy the fact that they haven't been given artists' impressions of the car and lots of wild claims about its performance only for the reality to be a huge disappointment.
I for one salute Les and his team and the way this whole project is being managed and is evolving. Keep up the good work!
Edited by Snakes on Sunday 18th September 11:00
It is a sham the way this has been conducted - right from the outset IMO.
Lower deposits from club members and sod all for just owners - diabolical!
There have been no talk of escroes or other money protection schemes, just give us your hard earned and trust us........dont think so.
Took me a long time to earn my dosh and not about to give it away to anyone that cannot even present a robust business plan to its 'investors'.
Pity really as if and when a car finally does present itself, it will no doubt be very good.
Cant see myself owning one as TVR dont want existing owners that have supported the marque, car club members are far too important.
Rant over
This is a business and as such can be volatile you know. I truly hope that it isnt but i think that those that placed a deposit should have been offered protection? Maybe they were......I wouldnt know as I didnt place a deposit.
I wish that some wouldnt cut parts out in order to make statements that are not meant the way they are!
I have had TVR's for years and really like them. I hope the company does do well and that the cars that are made are in the true spirit of TVR, ie proper seat of the pants sports cars.
I may buy one when they are available, not sure.
Please dont take my comments out of context, pointless to try to make out I am one of the doom and gloom merchants, especially as I have said on many occasions that I hope they thrive and produce wonderful cars.
I have had TVR's for years and really like them. I hope the company does do well and that the cars that are made are in the true spirit of TVR, ie proper seat of the pants sports cars.
I may buy one when they are available, not sure.
Please dont take my comments out of context, pointless to try to make out I am one of the doom and gloom merchants, especially as I have said on many occasions that I hope they thrive and produce wonderful cars.
RichB said:
AMDBSTony said:
...Took me a long time to earn my dosh and not about to give it away to anyone that cannot even present a robust business plan to its 'investors'...
That's your prerogative and I assume you've not placed a deposit. Neither did I but I am watching the new LE TVR with interest and wish them success. Once the product is launched and has been in the market for a year or so I may buy one. It's really not worth getting het up over. Like you, I may buy one....in fact i probably will, but until there is something tangible my money stays in my pocket.
Deposit holders are not investors. Securing a build slot for a special edition for Ferrari, Porsche, Merc etc certainly doesn't make you an investor, why should it be thought of as any different when it comes to TVR? Let's face it, 500x5k is only 2.5mil which is a drop in the ocean when it comes to funding the rebirth of a sports car brand.
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