New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
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No one wants a crappy, no frills lump of budget plastic in anywhere near enough numbers to make it viable to build a viable road car business.
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Caterham sell about 500 cars per annum, albeit not much plastic content, Morgan over 1000 cars per annum. Both brands are very much in a niche market, that's where TVR should be i.e. the brand and the experience is more important than outright performance and shiny baubles on the dashboard.-
No one wants a crappy, no frills lump of budget plastic in anywhere near enough numbers to make it viable to build a viable road car business.
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V8 Fettler said:
DonkeyApple said:
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No one wants a crappy, no frills lump of budget plastic in anywhere near enough numbers to make it viable to build a viable road car business.
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Caterham sell about 500 cars per annum, albeit not much plastic content, Morgan over 1000 cars per annum. Both brands are very much in a niche market, that's where TVR should be i.e. the brand and the experience is more important than outright performance and shiny baubles on the dashboard.-
No one wants a crappy, no frills lump of budget plastic in anywhere near enough numbers to make it viable to build a viable road car business.
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Some great points raised on both sides. I really want the 'New' TVR to succeed BUT...
I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Incognegro said:
Some great points raised on both sides. I really want the 'New' TVR to succeed BUT...
I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
The membership gave 50% discount on the deposit but anyone can order. Good point about the saving - a T350 plus £85K in the back pocket sounds quite appealing! I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Incognegro said:
Some great points raised on both sides. I really want the 'New' TVR to succeed BUT...
I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Exactly the point I made many moons ago!I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
PuffsBack said:
...Look at most modern instrument panels, its all LCD screens, touch panels, the investment is stuff like that is huge, but without it its not going to feel modern and premium. Not going to prize people out of the Audi style virtual cockpit of their DB11 to sit behind some plastic dials and and LCD from a 1970's Casio watch
While not necessarily a "modern" car, the use of a Rover 45 climate control system in the £1.5million Pagani Zonda didn't seem to dent it's success too much...And while some may say the landscape, and consumer expectations, have changed since then - they may have, but even then expectations would have been pretty high for that price point...
AMDBSTony said:
Exactly the point I made many moons ago!
Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
They showed open support to the car club which is a good thing. I really don't see the issue. Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
Plus it's only £50 to join to keep £2500 in your account if serious about a deposit and for me joining saved over £300 on my last insurance renewal.
I really don't see it as a valid excuse for anyone genuinely in the market unless it was the case that new members were barred?
DonkeyApple said:
AMDBSTony said:
Exactly the point I made many moons ago!
Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
They showed open support to the car club which is a good thing. I really don't see the issue. Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
Plus it's only £50 to join to keep £2500 in your account if serious about a deposit and for me joining saved over £300 on my last insurance renewal.
I really don't see it as a valid excuse for anyone genuinely in the market unless it was the case that new members were barred?
In any case, don't see why I need to provide justification to anyone, or join every car club for all the different cars that I have, simply don't want to do that.
I was probably one of the most serious potential purchasers as anyone that knows me will testify, that said maybe not as serious now.
The cost doesn't phase me too much, its more the principle for me of how affairs were conducted.
Not really too concerned about what others see as valid excuses, it was my decision and I ask that it is respected.
Wonder how many of the 2.5k depositors back out when the time comes, might consider taking one of those slots if allowed to.
AMDBSTony said:
Incognegro said:
Some great points raised on both sides. I really want the 'New' TVR to succeed BUT...
I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Exactly the point I made many moons ago!I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
I don't think you would have put a deposit down even if the lower deposit offer was extended to current owners (which if you actually spoke to TVR I'm sure you would have found it to have been negotiable on a case by case basis
)If you really want one, and genuinely have the means to buy an 80-100 grand car then you'd have made it happen.
imho
dvs_dave said:
AMDBSTony said:
Incognegro said:
Some great points raised on both sides. I really want the 'New' TVR to succeed BUT...
I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Exactly the point I made many moons ago!I feel LE has done a good job of ostracising existing owners... as I would have put a deposit down but the whole members only favour wound me up! No I'm not a Member but am an owner (so is my dad who bought his Cerb new and was once a Member)... added to that fact and a soon to be £100k price tag IMO out of spite and common sense for a car thats keeping old DNA I'll invest £20k in my Cerb (4.7ss rebuild Anti Knock MBE with TCS and Launch) which looks close to 411bhp/tonne (if Doms figures come through) then I'll have one hell of a party with the £80k saving.
I may even put £60 down for TVRCC membership... If/when it lands it will be great, but there will be a hefty price for it i thinks. Good luck to all those that get theirs as you will enjoy it!
Cheesed me off when non club members had to put double the deposit and shoulder twice the risk!
I really wanted one of these but even after corresponding with TVR the answer was the same.
I too want them to succeed but with them having a non commercial view, I bought some other cars.
Might buy one when I can physically give some money and get an actual car at the same time - this means it will have to be a car that is already built.
I don't think you would have put a deposit down even if the lower deposit offer was extended to current owners (which if you actually spoke to TVR I'm sure you would have found it to have been negotiable on a case by case basis
)If you really want one, and genuinely have the means to buy an 80-100 grand car then you'd have made it happen.
imho
The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
AMDBSTony said:
Issue here is that you only think and don't know!
The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
So why are you here then speaking about it on an open forum? The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
Jurgen Schmidt said:
AMDBSTony said:
Issue here is that you only think and don't know!
The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
So why are you here then speaking about it on an open forum? The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
Not wasting any more of my time
Anyway, putting the topic back on track, I totally forgot to hit the rsvp button until this morning after falling off my chair receiving the email only 48hrs after we started criticizing the TVR publicity machine for not keeping the momentum going...I am impressed they ARE listening and responding which is reassuring even if the previous dates have slipped, which is not unsurprising.
Apparently the Test mule is just as reliable as my TVR as this note was at the foot of my email back;
(Dictated by Les while he was supergluing a mirror back on the mule car…)
Apparently the Test mule is just as reliable as my TVR as this note was at the foot of my email back;
(Dictated by Les while he was supergluing a mirror back on the mule car…)
We've had a flounce!Bluebottle said:
Anyway, putting the topic back on track, I totally forgot to hit the rsvp button until this morning after falling off my chair receiving the email only 48hrs after we started criticizing the TVR publicity machine for not keeping the momentum going...I am impressed they ARE listening and responding which is reassuring even if the previous dates have slipped, which is not unsurprising.
Apparently the Test mule is just as reliable as my TVR as this note was at the foot of my email back;
(Dictated by Les while he was supergluing a mirror back on the mule car…)
If they truly are listening then please may I have an invite to the unveiling please? I promise to buy a new one if I ever could!Apparently the Test mule is just as reliable as my TVR as this note was at the foot of my email back;
(Dictated by Les while he was supergluing a mirror back on the mule car…)
AMDBSTony said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
AMDBSTony said:
Issue here is that you only think and don't know!
The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
So why are you here then speaking about it on an open forum? The factory WOULD NOT negotiate, if they would I would have had a deposit down.
Not that you need to know this but it looks like you are trying to categorise me with the time wasters - I have many cars valued well in excess of 100K and trust me can easily make this happen.
Then again, don't have to justify my decisions to anyone.
Don't see why anyone with an opinion has to be shot down in flames other that someone getting their jollies off on doing so!
Not wasting any more of my time
dvs_dave said:
I'm getting tired of this crap. Not putting a deposit down out of principle because of not being a TVR club member, but a current owner is just bluster and rhetoric.
I don't think you would have put a deposit down even if the lower deposit offer was extended to current owners (which if you actually spoke to TVR I'm sure you would have found it to have been negotiable on a case by case basis )
If you really want one, and genuinely have the means to buy an 80-100 grand car then you'd have made it happen.
imho
Thats your opinion... and I think of yours what you think of mine.I don't think you would have put a deposit down even if the lower deposit offer was extended to current owners (which if you actually spoke to TVR I'm sure you would have found it to have been negotiable on a case by case basis
)If you really want one, and genuinely have the means to buy an 80-100 grand car then you'd have made it happen.
imho
means to buy a £100k car Ive never seen? No... £99k would have been another story however!
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