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macdeb

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8,510 posts

255 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Ian Rose aka roseyTVR.
I broke down on a very rainy M3 coming back from LeMans classic with a complete loss of all electrics and Ian stayed with me during the THREE relays to get me home. Broke down late afternoon and eventually got back home at
3am this morning. It was great to have the moral support, especially with a couple of the 'experts' who turned up to fix it [yeh, right] and get us back. Had great weekend up to that point and the car has never let me down before in the 10 years I've had it. [any ideas?] ears
Thanks Ian, you are a TOP BLOKE clapclap

Matthew Poxon

5,329 posts

173 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Top bloke indeed, very kind of him. thumbup

I hope yours in as relatively easily fix Mac.

ukdj

1,004 posts

184 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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macdeb said:
complete loss of all electrics [any ideas?] ears
80 amp fuse in the footwell, 100amp fuse by the starter, dead battery (possibly caused by blown/cracked 100 amp fuse)

are the first ports of call

eric450

86 posts

112 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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As mentioned above, I'd suspect the 80 amp fuse in the footwell.
That was the issue with mine on total electrical failure.
Take it out though and check the back (connecting) face.
Mine looked fine until removing it.
Good luck with it ....

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Bad luck Mac.......Unlucky break!

Well done Ian, you were already in the club of top blokes but this has cemented your future wink

Why did it take so long, wasn't more then 200 miles at most, was it?

macdeb

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8,510 posts

255 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Wasn't aware of an 80 amp fuse in footwell to be honest, I'll check it out thanks guys.

Edited by macdeb on Tuesday 12th July 16:21

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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macdeb said:
Wasn't aware of an 80 amp fuse in footwell to be honest, I'll check it out thanks.
It's in a flylead fuse holder similar to the 100amp one on the chassis.

macdeb

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Tuesday 12th July 2016
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phazed said:
Bad luck Mac.......Unlucky break!

Well done Ian, you were already in the club of top blokes but this has cemented your future wink

Why did it take so long, wasn't more then 200 miles at most, was it?
Hi Peter, long story. Short version, after failing to fix at roadside with Ian holding umbrella the AA got me off motorway to services with very professional young driver, then no contact? so called Classicline who were very good but sent a complete numpty to fix who said, 'I aint touching that' and I thought 'too right you're not' several conversations then sliding body sent after a while with an even bigger idiot with a huge chip on shoulder, he took me to next services and left there [surrounded by caravans/tarmac lorries/blokes drinking lager shouting at kids etc, you get the picture] for next sliding body and in the meantime AA called back asking where I was? Anyway, this was now after midnight and an excellent guy turned up to my relief and got me loaded again [3rd time] Ian then left for home but in meantime the A34 had been closed so we had to go along M4 to Swindon then up M5 arriving home at 03.00 and Ian had to follow diversion the other way and head back towards M25 first to get up to his home at Burton at 02.30
Not one of my best nights.

ukdj

1,004 posts

184 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Replace with midi type fuse (less prone to cracking etc) instead of the metal strip type.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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What a total nightmare and feckup!!!

I have been recovered twice, (very high mileage Disco spectacularly threw its autobox in the fast lane of the M25 and a totally disintegrated wheel bearing on a Shogun after a day off-roading) both by the AA and both super professional.

The Disco affair was winter, pishing down and dark. The AA guy insisted I sat in his warm cab while he got soaked loading the car.

AcidRich

427 posts

228 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Hi Mac........you Lizard laugh

Le Mans was awesome and had a great time with you, Ian and the rest of the WWMTVRCC.

Pisser you had the breakdown but at least it was on the way back?

Did you and Ian find any wine in the services to soften the blow? wink





QBee

20,975 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Sorry to hear of your woes Mac.

If it's not already fixed, can I ask a leading question?

Did it suddenly die, or seem to begin to lose oomph, then refuse to go over 50, then gradually grind to a halt and refuse to start?

If it died suddenly, and you lost almost all the electrics, then you are looking for the 80 amp fuse in a holder in the wiring near the fuse box, passenger footwell. This is what we are assuming from your description.

If it sort of ground to a halt, then you are looking for the 100 amp fuse, which is located under the car directly under the alternator. It is electrically between alternator and battery, so if it dies on a journey you will not be charging the battery and worse, the engine will be running on battery until you have drained it completely. Again, it is in a black fuse holder.

macdeb

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8,510 posts

255 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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AcidRich said:
Hi Mac........you Lizard laugh

Le Mans was awesome and had a great time with you, Ian and the rest of the WWMTVRCC.

Pisser you had the breakdown but at least it was on the way back?

Did you and Ian find any wine in the services to soften the blow? wink
Lizard hehe
yup, fab time mate. I found some Stellas in the services as I was obviously not driving home.

macdeb

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8,510 posts

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Tuesday 12th July 2016
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QBee said:
Sorry to hear of your woes Mac.

If it's not already fixed, can I ask a leading question?

Did it suddenly die, or seem to begin to lose oomph, then refuse to go over 50, then gradually grind to a halt and refuse to start?

If it died suddenly, and you lost almost all the electrics, then you are looking for the 80 amp fuse in a holder in the wiring near the fuse box, passenger footwell. This is what we are assuming from your description.

If it sort of ground to a halt, then you are looking for the 100 amp fuse, which is located under the car directly under the alternator. It is electrically between alternator and battery, so if it dies on a journey you will not be charging the battery and worse, the engine will be running on battery until you have drained it completely. Again, it is in a black fuse holder.
thanks Anthony, yes complete shut down. It did play up a couple of times in France but seemed immobiliser linked. [as I thought]

macdeb

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255 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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Thanks for responses so far blokes. I left the car out on roadside today to teach it a lesson and just gone out to it and found the 80 amp fuse that had completely melted and broke, also melted the wires to it. So, jumped them across and got electrics back, just the fuel pump wont prime now so having a look tomorrow.

QBee

20,975 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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That fuel pump non-op could just be the immobiliser, so before starting your hunt, just try lock/unlock.
Then it's fuel pump relay, fuel pump terminals.

That amount of fuse and wiring overheating suggests you should replace the fuse ASAP, carry a spare, and get it checked out soon. There must be a reason for it.

Guys, if the fuel pump was failing or shorting, could it cause the fuse/wiring damage?

ukdj

1,004 posts

184 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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QBee said:
Guys, if the fuel pump was failing or shorting, could it cause the fuse/wiring damage?
it's possible, but I would guess having repaired exact same fault in a Griff that the wire feeding the fusebox which is fused with the 80amp fuse is just old, tired and underspecced from the factory, which over the years has slowly been getting worse, but not immediately noticeable that resistance along the wire has increased with possible dodgy fuse/fuse holder connections leading to more heat and the eventual meltdown.

When checking out the wire I would guess it is black and charred for quite a way rather than shiny copper, and would probably be best to replace with a decent grade battery cable, new fuse holder and midi type fuse.

once repaired, a simple re-sync of the alarm fob after connecting the battery should restore normal service, if not then time to investigate what is not working, as Anthony mentioned fuel/ecu relays and connections at the fuel pump etc.




Edited by ukdj on Tuesday 12th July 21:20

schimg

1,923 posts

253 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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Hi Mac / bloke,

Well firstly thanks for bringing Ian into the wwm group....👍

A splendid chap with a large amount of humour and wit....

Had the measure of you and Crispian 😀

Baring in mind he knew no one he just fitted in ....what he did with you staying on well that's the measure of the bloke in my opinion 👍

Ian more than welcome to join in with stuff we do I will never forget what you did in this situ,

Thank You👍

Steve G



roseytvr

1,788 posts

178 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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Steady guys I'm starting to blush, enough alreadybowtie

To be fair you all made me very welcome and were a great group to join up with. To anyone who has not done one of these trips just do it, great cars, great company and great fun. But don't go with macdeb he's a fking liability curse

macdeb

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8,510 posts

255 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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hehehehe
Oh, and don't 'try' to sleep with Ian laugh