Purpose of Painted Sagaris Shells
Discussion
Hi guys,
I have thoroughly researched the archives and have come up with a number of pictures of the painted Sagaris shells sitting in the yard. Thank you to www.tvr-cerbera.net for the pictures I have posted as reference below.
I have a few questions that I hope some of the individuals who had worked at the factory can answer and provide complete clarity on. If you do not wish to post information, please private message me.
Purpose of Sagaris Shells
From Archives:
“The following cars had vynlester bodies and are the ones that had vents cut out and sat painted in the yard before being sold of as race car shells. Pics on here somewhere.”
So basically, the two main stories:
1. They were made for the TVR racing series. As per the wiki they are labeled as RT shells. Unfortunately, the program was cancelled.
2. They were pre-production models made out of a different composite of fiberglass than the production models?
For whatever reason they were not built into complete cars.
In either instance, why did the guys in body and paint spend the time to cut all of the vents out and apply final body prep and paint? If they were race cars, you would think they would have been just primed and sold to the teams, unless this wasn’t the entire truth?
Sale of the Shells
From what I can gather, all shells were sold off prior to bankruptcy. Where did they all go?
I can not locate any information in the TVR archives in regards to when people acquired them, or the prices that may have been paid for the shells at time of the sale.
Do we know when this sale took place, and the prices that were paid at that time?
Sole Jaguar F1 Green Sagaris Shell
As per the last picture I posted, (green sagaris on dolley) the only information I could find in the archive was from a forum member.
Quoted as “As someone has said, the painted shells (with the exception of the green one towards the end) are the pre-productions Sag's with the full slats through the wings (which got your feet wet apparantly)..... "
For those that were at the factory, was there any information about this specific shell internally?
Was the end intention of this shell to be the same as the others referenced further up?
Thank you for taking the time to shed some additional information
RT
I have thoroughly researched the archives and have come up with a number of pictures of the painted Sagaris shells sitting in the yard. Thank you to www.tvr-cerbera.net for the pictures I have posted as reference below.
I have a few questions that I hope some of the individuals who had worked at the factory can answer and provide complete clarity on. If you do not wish to post information, please private message me.
Purpose of Sagaris Shells
From Archives:
“The following cars had vynlester bodies and are the ones that had vents cut out and sat painted in the yard before being sold of as race car shells. Pics on here somewhere.”
So basically, the two main stories:
1. They were made for the TVR racing series. As per the wiki they are labeled as RT shells. Unfortunately, the program was cancelled.
2. They were pre-production models made out of a different composite of fiberglass than the production models?
For whatever reason they were not built into complete cars.
In either instance, why did the guys in body and paint spend the time to cut all of the vents out and apply final body prep and paint? If they were race cars, you would think they would have been just primed and sold to the teams, unless this wasn’t the entire truth?
Sale of the Shells
From what I can gather, all shells were sold off prior to bankruptcy. Where did they all go?
I can not locate any information in the TVR archives in regards to when people acquired them, or the prices that may have been paid for the shells at time of the sale.
Do we know when this sale took place, and the prices that were paid at that time?
Sole Jaguar F1 Green Sagaris Shell
As per the last picture I posted, (green sagaris on dolley) the only information I could find in the archive was from a forum member.
Quoted as “As someone has said, the painted shells (with the exception of the green one towards the end) are the pre-productions Sag's with the full slats through the wings (which got your feet wet apparantly)..... "
For those that were at the factory, was there any information about this specific shell internally?
Was the end intention of this shell to be the same as the others referenced further up?
Thank you for taking the time to shed some additional information
RT
Edited by RTSracing on Tuesday 2nd August 04:21
Edited by RTSracing on Wednesday 19th October 03:14
Edited by RTSracing on Saturday 7th January 20:42
Tony (TVRTUSCANS) on here owns the RT Prototype.... Nice guy too!
http://images.pistonheads.com/members/68467-car.jp...
Sagaris RT (Road/Track) Prototype. Chassis Number 001.Date of Manufacture 18th November 2004. Photo at the Jan 2005 NEC Auto Sport Show on the Pipercross stand.
Conceived and badged 'RT' by John Reid, TVR's Director of Motorsport, as a Sagaris Road/Track-day car (to run alongside the Tuscan Challenge series cars), it has "more power, open slats,different suspension, and a lightweight body and interior"
Built under the supervision of Mike Bennison, Line Forman,outside the Line Forman's office (where all 'specials' were built) around a month after construction, TVR decided to kill off a Sagaris/SP6 replacement to the Tuscan Challenge series, and the notion of manufacturing the Sagaris RT was shelved, with production focussing on the Sagaris road car. This vehicle is therefore the only RT ever built.
Originally painted just red, sometime in December 2004, it was given its rather 'distinctive' yellow stripe; these are John Reid's racing colours.
Road registered on the 20th January 2005, this vehicle then was at various points, John Reid's and then NS's 'company car'; it finally became a development mule for TVR in the spring of 2005. The factory records show the vehicle has had at least two engines, three gearboxes (including the experimental sequential dog box used in the Le Mans cars), and two differentials, as well as numerous other modifications.
It was lent to stunt driver Terry Grant; in June 2006 it broke the Guinness World Record for the number of consecutive donuts in a car - 73.
Bought directly from TVR, it has never been re-built, and with the exception of some paintwork (by Surface & Design - re-sprayed in the same spray booth it was originally sprayed in by the same bloke who sprayed it originally), it is exactly as it left the factory, including its original Sparko seats, PI Research Datalogger, Scorpion exhausts, Compomotive wheels,unique Sagaris RT boot badge and.....tax disc holder! It's a little bit of TVR/British motoring history so originality is absolutely everything.....and......its completely insane.....Car featured on the TVR CC stand at the Nov 2012 NEC Classic Car Show.
http://images.pistonheads.com/members/68467-car.jp...
Sagaris RT (Road/Track) Prototype. Chassis Number 001.Date of Manufacture 18th November 2004. Photo at the Jan 2005 NEC Auto Sport Show on the Pipercross stand.
Conceived and badged 'RT' by John Reid, TVR's Director of Motorsport, as a Sagaris Road/Track-day car (to run alongside the Tuscan Challenge series cars), it has "more power, open slats,different suspension, and a lightweight body and interior"
Built under the supervision of Mike Bennison, Line Forman,outside the Line Forman's office (where all 'specials' were built) around a month after construction, TVR decided to kill off a Sagaris/SP6 replacement to the Tuscan Challenge series, and the notion of manufacturing the Sagaris RT was shelved, with production focussing on the Sagaris road car. This vehicle is therefore the only RT ever built.
Originally painted just red, sometime in December 2004, it was given its rather 'distinctive' yellow stripe; these are John Reid's racing colours.
Road registered on the 20th January 2005, this vehicle then was at various points, John Reid's and then NS's 'company car'; it finally became a development mule for TVR in the spring of 2005. The factory records show the vehicle has had at least two engines, three gearboxes (including the experimental sequential dog box used in the Le Mans cars), and two differentials, as well as numerous other modifications.
It was lent to stunt driver Terry Grant; in June 2006 it broke the Guinness World Record for the number of consecutive donuts in a car - 73.
Bought directly from TVR, it has never been re-built, and with the exception of some paintwork (by Surface & Design - re-sprayed in the same spray booth it was originally sprayed in by the same bloke who sprayed it originally), it is exactly as it left the factory, including its original Sparko seats, PI Research Datalogger, Scorpion exhausts, Compomotive wheels,unique Sagaris RT boot badge and.....tax disc holder! It's a little bit of TVR/British motoring history so originality is absolutely everything.....and......its completely insane.....Car featured on the TVR CC stand at the Nov 2012 NEC Classic Car Show.
Outl4w said:
Tony (TVRTUSCANS) on here owns the RT Prototype.... Nice guy too!
http://images.pistonheads.com/members/68467-car.jp...
I spotted this one the other day cruising around Bucks, a lovely carhttp://images.pistonheads.com/members/68467-car.jp...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I wonder what he's planning?From what I can gather, other than the two red and the one f1 green shell, the rest were sold off as part of bankruptcy auction.
I can not locate any information in the TVR archives in regards to when the auction took place, or the prices that may have been paid for the shells at time of the sale.
Do we know when this sale took place Date wise (2008, 2011?), and the prices that were paid at that time?
Was anyone at the bankruptcy auction?
I can not locate any information in the TVR archives in regards to when the auction took place, or the prices that may have been paid for the shells at time of the sale.
Do we know when this sale took place Date wise (2008, 2011?), and the prices that were paid at that time?
Was anyone at the bankruptcy auction?
Edited by RTSracing on Saturday 7th January 20:44
IIRC
2 maybe 3 others went to race cars. on Tuscan challenge chassis
One shell went to Andy Holden and ended up with an LS engine and holinger box. its still racing in europe
one shell went to top cats and also had an ls engine but was destroyed in an accident awaiting rebuild ?
I may be wrong but i think the original Tim/Terry Black GTF sagaris is a TVR body. This is now owned by Andy Race and is waiting fo ran engine and box to come back out again.
Id have to check dates but i think they were sold before the fire sale when TVR were still running
I've got a GTF sagaris shell sat on a TC rolling chassis, which could be liberated from my grasp with the correct number of beer tokens
2 maybe 3 others went to race cars. on Tuscan challenge chassis
One shell went to Andy Holden and ended up with an LS engine and holinger box. its still racing in europe
one shell went to top cats and also had an ls engine but was destroyed in an accident awaiting rebuild ?
I may be wrong but i think the original Tim/Terry Black GTF sagaris is a TVR body. This is now owned by Andy Race and is waiting fo ran engine and box to come back out again.
Id have to check dates but i think they were sold before the fire sale when TVR were still running
I've got a GTF sagaris shell sat on a TC rolling chassis, which could be liberated from my grasp with the correct number of beer tokens
- UPDATED*
1. Red/Yellow Stripe - finished at factory - as referenced above. Owner (TVRTUSCANS)
2. Light Green - Bought at bankruptcy. Imported into USA and put in storage locker in Michigan for a number of years. Imported back to the UK in 2013. Believed to be in Italy.
3. Orange - Traded hands in 2015.
4. Silver - ? Possible Race Car
5. Peachy Red - ? Demonstration mule same colour?
6. Racing Red - Bought prior to factory closure. see plasticman post above. Is Now Silver (pictured). Roadgoing?
7. Burgandy Red - Bought prior to factory closure. see plasticman post above.
8. Yellow - ? Possible Race Car.
9. F1 Racing Green - Bought prior to factory closure. In Canada. Starting a build.
Any further information you have is great.
Dates, further information etc. Nothing is useless.
I was searching through the archives and found the red (now silver shell). It had the plate molded into the front. (attached)
I have quite a few pictures that I have collected from multiple sources. Thank you to those responsible for taking them.
Edited by RTSracing on Monday 9th January 22:10
Hi there, I can't give a reply to all of the questions but this is my understanding of how the bulk of these shells ended up out there. The first batch of cars were in build as dealer demo cars in '04 just after PRW sold up to NS. The Formula Red one seen there was going to be my first demo Sagaris. NS asked the TVR development guys if the car was ready to go into production 'as was' with open vents, lightweight bodies, etc. They stated that how they were configured would make them less than ideal for finishing to a good standard, and would also render them less than ideal for road-use. The decision was then made to withdraw these bodies for use on the road cars and come up with a better body for road-use. It was then thought that a factory-supported race series may come about utilising the redundant shells eventually but of course this never happened.
Bit by bit shells did find a variety of homes as some Tuscan Challenge cars were rebuilt into 'Sagaris' look-a-like racers.....
I hope that this helps to explain some of the background to these photos!
Best regards, Tony
Bit by bit shells did find a variety of homes as some Tuscan Challenge cars were rebuilt into 'Sagaris' look-a-like racers.....
I hope that this helps to explain some of the background to these photos!
Best regards, Tony
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