Car detailing

[Knights Bridge]

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nickfb1
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25 months Monday 6th February
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Hi Trevor,
If it is fresh paint (less than 6 months old), I
would recommend Sealer Glaze , followed up with Reflections Advanced
Wax . If the paint is older than 6 months use the Pre-Wax Cleaner
first then follow up with the other 2 products. If it is a light color then
the Sealer Glaze will not be as useful.
For a show car, I would use the Pre Wax Cleaner, Sealer Glaze, Carnauba Paste Wax ( for a deeper hue) followed up with the Reflections Top Coat.

Hope this helps. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Cheers

Nick




Nick, this was a post you made above on the 6th Feb, can you explain please.

I see on one of the threads on this topic you were saying that if the paint was less than 6 months old just use the seal and glaze from Mothers, but if it was over 6 months old to use the pre paint cleaner first then seal and glaze and a carnauba wax / top coat.

Can you explain why that is please.

As I dont follow why you would need a paint cleaner if it was only over 6 months old, why not from day one ?

Also you said the seal and glaze would not work well on a light colour why is this please ? why would it not work well please explain.

Is the seal and glaze only designed for a particular type of colour then ? if so what colours.

Why would you use a pre wax cleaner on a show car only ? dont follow, if the car was a show car it should not need it correct ?

How does it make a deeper Hue !!!!!

Just wanting to know as I have been looking into this Mothers stuff that everyone is talking about, and you seem to rave about.

Andrew

[maxx-waxx]

Knights Bridge - nowhere in my post did i say pre wax cleaner is only for a show car, if you read correctly.
Deeper hue refers to addition of the carnauba wax over sealer and glaze.

didnt say sealer and glaze wouldnt work on lighter colours just the effectiveness is much less noticable, and i wouldnt want to sell a product to someone that wouldnt necessarily get the benefit. however all circumstances are considered

[Knights Bridge]

ok, lets put it in terms you understand.

You said: (For a show car, I would use the Pre Wax Cleaner, Sealer Glaze, Carnauba Paste Wax ( for a deeper hue) followed up with the Reflections Top Coat.)

why would you use a pre wax cleaner on a show car ?

Also why is seal and glaze less affective on light colour cars,

Also can you reply to the rest of the questions please.

How and why does the Carnauba paste wax make the paint a deeper hue ?

Why if paint is more than 6 months old should I use a pre wax cleaner.


>> Edited by Knights Bridge on Friday 17th February 21:58

[jt13355]

Knights Bridge said:

ok, lets put it in terms you understand. >> Edited by Knights Bridge on Friday 17th February 21:58

Youve just signed up today and already posting comments like this, if you have an axe to grind and i think i speak for myself and others to say this is not the place for you my friend

[Knights Bridge]

sorry to be abrupt with that first line guys. I have taken it out, I DONT HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND AT ALL.

JUST WANT A REPLY PLEASE AS MAXX WAXX IS OFFERING ADVICE.

I JUST QUOTTED WHAT THEY HAD SAID AND ASKED THEM TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEANT BY IT, BUT THEY DONT SEEM TO WANT TO GIVE A REPLY

Knights Bridge said:

You said: (For a show car, I would use the Pre Wax Cleaner, Sealer Glaze, Carnauba Paste Wax ( for a deeper hue) followed up with the Reflections Top Coat.) why would you use a pre wax cleaner on a show car ? Also why is seal and glaze less affective on light colour cars, Also can you reply to the rest of the questions please. How and why does the Carnauba paste wax make the paint a deeper hue ? Why if paint is more than 6 months old should I use a pre wax cleaner. >> Edited by Knights Bridge on Friday 17th February 21:58

I have taken out the line you seem to not like, but would still like my questions replied to by Maxx Waxx, as I would like to know what he means, as I am a car nut and would like to know, he is offering advice and help and I am asking for it please.

[David H]

Knights Bridge said:

sorry to be abrupt with that first line guys. I have taken it out, I DONT HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND AT ALL. JUST WANT A REPLY PLEASE AS MAXX WAXX IS OFFERING ADVICE. I JUST QUOTTED WHAT THEY HAD SAID AND ASKED THEM TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEANT BY IT, BUT THEY DONT SEEM TO WANT TO GIVE A REPLY Knights Bridge said: You said: (For a show car, I would use the Pre Wax Cleaner, Sealer Glaze, Carnauba Paste Wax ( for a deeper hue) followed up with the Reflections Top Coat.) why would you use a pre wax cleaner on a show car ? Also why is seal and glaze less affective on light colour cars, Also can you reply to the rest of the questions please. How and why does the Carnauba paste wax make the paint a deeper hue ? Why if paint is more than 6 months old should I use a pre wax cleaner. >> Edited by Knights Bridge on Friday 17th February 21:58 I have taken out the line you seem to not like, but would still like my questions replied to by Maxx Waxx, as I would like to know what he means, as I am a car nut and would like to know, he is offering advice and help and I am asking for it please.

You will need a paint cleaner (such as megs DC1) on all cars if you want the best finish (show car finish). It will remove light oxidation from the paint and any products that have been previously applied.

A carnauba wax gives the paint a very wet look and this darkens the hue. Something like Pinnacle Souverign would show this perfectly, but would only last 2 weeks.

Sealants and glazes will be effective on light and darker coloured cars, but a darker coloured car will show your efforts better. A trained eye will be able to spot a well detailed silver car but even your gran would be impressed by a basic wash and wax on a Black car Different products suit different colours.

The older the paint, usually the more cleaning and swirl removal is needed. This is not always true but probably what he ment by the 6 month reference.


Also I don't agree with the comments on Meguiars products. I don't only use megs, I use what is best but half the time I find myself picking up a bottle of Megs.

Here's my detail regime every few months:

Wash with double strength Megs NXT with 2 bucket method and lambwool mit
Clay still wet car (megs products again, using NXT as a lube)
Quick wash of car
Dry with drying cloth
DC1 paint cleaner applied by PC (porter cable random orbital buffer)
Megs #83 (this is a higher abrasive compound for removing heavy swirls or paint defects)
Megs #80 (this removes light swirls and leave the paint with a great finish)
Megs #7 show car glaze
Wax with either Pinnacle Souverign, Collinite 476, or P21s depending on mood or time of year

I do this every few months and wash when needed, sometimes applying an extra layer of wax (15 min job). So although it sound a little crazy, it only takes a day every 3 months or so and a quick wash every week to keep the car looking perfect


Hope that helps

[maxx-waxx]

Knights Bridge said:

sorry to be abrupt with that first line guys. I have taken it out, I DONT HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND AT ALL. JUST WANT A REPLY PLEASE AS MAXX WAXX IS OFFERING ADVICE. I JUST QUOTTED WHAT THEY HAD SAID AND ASKED THEM TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEANT BY IT, BUT THEY DONT SEEM TO WANT TO GIVE A REPLY Knights Bridge said: You said: (For a show car, I would use the Pre Wax Cleaner, Sealer Glaze, Carnauba Paste Wax ( for a deeper hue) followed up with the Reflections Top Coat.) why would you use a pre wax cleaner on a show car ? Also why is seal and glaze less affective on light colour cars, Also can you reply to the rest of the questions please. How and why does the Carnauba paste wax make the paint a deeper hue ? Why if paint is more than 6 months old should I use a pre wax cleaner. >> Edited by Knights Bridge on Friday 17th February 21:58 I have taken out the line you seem to not like, but would still like my questions replied to by Maxx Waxx, as I would like to know what he means, as I am a nut and would like to know, he is offering advice and help and I am asking for it please.

The way your post comes over is not asking for advice but demanding answers. To which i would normally not reply, the answers here are not for you but for other people who might care to read.
I think JT has a point tho'

Pre Wax Cleaner is for deep cleaning the paint and removing fine swirl
marks. When the term show car is used, it could mean a trailer car that
is covered in a garage, loaded on a trailer, moved into a show hall and back
with never seeing the light of day. Or, it could mean a car that is driven
to shows and is exposed to the elements. Depending on environmental
conditions, oxidation and swirl marks can still occur, even on the trailer
car. Since most cars being painted are with clear coat which is a much
softer paint than the old acrylics or lacquers. This adds to increased
flexibility and higher gloss, but does allow road grime that can become
embedded in paint that washing alone does not always remove. Some cars from
the factory can have rail dust in the paint which needs to be Clay Barred and
followed up with Pre Wax Cleaner. The six month period of a new car is a
GENERAL term depending on usage and environmental conditions that the
vehicle has been exposed to. Thirty day curing time of most clear coat
paints in the past is why it was recommended not to use anything but glaze
for the first thirty days. A lot of the new clear coat paints are being
made with chemical hardeners and curing agents which allows the paint to dry much
faster. Therefore, it is important to know how your car was painted and
with what material before expressing absolutes.

Sealer Glaze is designed to help hide swirl marks and add depth to paint.
Since dark colors reflect light at a much higher rate than light colors, it
is more beneficial when used with the dark colors. Notice how hard it is to
see swirl marks on a white car and how easily they seam to appear on a black
car. Trailer cars mainly use Glaze and not wax since the
glaze supplies the depth and gloss they want and environmental protections
is not a high priority.

Carnauba wax is preferred because of the deep hue it leaves to paint. I
readily admit that the average enthusiast does not notice. A good painter
or show judge does have the eye to tell the slight shade difference. It is
a talent that is developed more than taught.
As far as Mothers products versus other brands, I won't get into "he said, she said" which is best, however the top 2 award winners at the Detroit Auto Show (which I might
mention is one million dollar first place, invitation only, and considered
the highest custom car competition in the world) use and recommend Mothers,
If one is competing for a one million dollar prize and you see the top
competitor pick up and use Mothers I would say most people who use it would
feel more than adequate with the results.

Top coat is a product that Mothers came out with to be added on top of waxes
and polishes. It adds a slight increase in depth to help feed the edge
every one is looking for on their vehicle. It will also increase the
protection of the paint and the longevity of the wax.

Maxx-Waxx

[chimp19]

Must admit Knights bridge tone is extremely poor. Why would u come on and as you say demand answers, surely a a polite request for some clarification would suffice.
Im always suspicious of people who have only joined that day and act in this way.
BTW Maxx-Waxx thank you for such an informative reply i found this very interesting as ive always thought you just polished after washing and that was that.

Maxx-Waxx i have sent you an email requesting information

Cheers

[UKBob]

Mustang Baz said:

Jt - I got my Tuscan professionally detailed by Martin Pennington of Top Shot Valet who swears by Mothers products.

Ive not read the whole thread, so forgive me if its already been mentioned, but Martin used meguiers for 10 years, IIRC - and after trying out mothers switched, and never looked back. Again, IIRC, after detailing showroom car for rolls royce's, they commented saying they had never been able to achieve a better finish. He also said that other detailers had refused to go head to head with him each working on one side of the car. Mothers is great. I dont spend 8 hours a day polishing cars so Im no expert but I'd highly recommend their products

[PetrolTed]

Knights Bridge is a competitor currently enjoying a spell in the sin bin.

[jt13355]

PetrolTed said:

Knights Bridge is a competitor currently enjoying a spell in the sin bin.

Well theres a surprise!!!!

[evolutionvalet]

It amazes me how the whole topic of who uses what can get out of hand. On the other sites I am on, it always seems to start a bizzare wave of responses...

Kev

[maxx-waxx]

Andy,

sorry its been a while, if you want a sample of Reflections topcoat i can drop it round sometime for you to try.

Then all we need is some good weather

Cheers

Nick

[madbadger]

Hi Nick.

That would be cool.

Not had much of a chance to be cleaning recently, but I've been out a couple of times in the rain and it's still very shiny. The wax seems to be doing its job admirably.

Are you coming to the meet next Sunday (19th)?

[maddog-uk]

I will be adding my layer or reflections tomorrow or Sunday (depending on my grand prix viewing). I can not wait.

[maxx-waxx]

maddog-uk said:

I will be adding my layer or reflections tomorrow or Sunday (depending on my grand prix viewing). I can not wait.

Hi Simon,

Did you ever get an opportunity with the weather to try try the Mothers Reflections Topcoat, and what did you think to it?

Nick