60th Anniversary 600bhp Typhon based cars to be produced!
Discussion
Just had a dealer news letter drop through the door. In it it states that,
"The news that TVR are to stay in the UK and have have already started makeing plans for the move to their new site in Blackpool has totaly quashed the negative reports the press issued at the time."
Then goes on to say,
"TVR have anounced that for their 60th anniversary year they will be producing only 60 special edition cars based on the Typhoon. It will be a 600BHP supercharged 6 speed powered road car, boasting a carbon fibre shell. The car will be launched at the Geneva Motor Show 2007."
Whats this all about then, new facts or more TVR smoke and mirrors?
"The news that TVR are to stay in the UK and have have already started makeing plans for the move to their new site in Blackpool has totaly quashed the negative reports the press issued at the time."
Then goes on to say,
"TVR have anounced that for their 60th anniversary year they will be producing only 60 special edition cars based on the Typhoon. It will be a 600BHP supercharged 6 speed powered road car, boasting a carbon fibre shell. The car will be launched at the Geneva Motor Show 2007."
Whats this all about then, new facts or more TVR smoke and mirrors?
IMHO talk of producing a 600BHP car (at a mooted £80k plus options) shows exactly how far removed from reality TVR management are.
If they aren't lapping up your £40-£50k options what on earth is making you think they'll plump for the £80k option? It's either arrogance or stupidity. Or both.
A limited production run of 60 cars!! I'd be staggered if a) it ever sees the light of day or, b) they ever sold 60 of them.
If they aren't lapping up your £40-£50k options what on earth is making you think they'll plump for the £80k option? It's either arrogance or stupidity. Or both.
A limited production run of 60 cars!! I'd be staggered if a) it ever sees the light of day or, b) they ever sold 60 of them.
soapbox said:
IMHO talk of producing a 600BHP car (at a mooted £80k plus options) shows exactly how far removed from reality TVR management are.
If they aren't lapping up your £40-£50k options what on earth is making you think they'll plump for the £80k option? It's either arrogance or stupidity. Or both.
A limited production run of 60 cars!! I'd be staggered if a) it ever sees the light of day or, b) they ever sold 60 of them.
If they aren't lapping up your £40-£50k options what on earth is making you think they'll plump for the £80k option? It's either arrogance or stupidity. Or both.
A limited production run of 60 cars!! I'd be staggered if a) it ever sees the light of day or, b) they ever sold 60 of them.
quite right- the irony of saying they'll make a limited run of 60 when they've probably only made that number of cars at the factory all year shows how far they come in their lunacy. Get TVR backon track- give us a new affordable (relatively) soft top in the Griffith-mold. How hard can it be..?!
abz said:
how about announcing a new sub-£30k soft top car to appeal to TVR's old core market and get back on track rather than a £75k++ one off effort. Now that would be a good birthday present and help set TVR up for the future again...
If you want a sub-£30k soft top car - buy a used Tamora.
The majority of TVRs old hard core followers do TVR no favours at all and are so out of touch TVR may as well be another marque.
Suggesting a a new sub-£30k soft top car in the old TVR hard core mode? I would suggest thats further from reality than selling 59 600 bhp supercars.
Daftlad said:
abz said:
how about announcing a new sub-£30k soft top car to appeal to TVR's old core market and get back on track rather than a £75k++ one off effort. Now that would be a good birthday present and help set TVR up for the future again...
If you want a sub-£30k soft top car - buy a used Tamora.
The majority of TVRs old hard core followers do TVR no favours at all and are so out of touch TVR may as well be another marque.
Suggesting a a new sub-£30k soft top car in the old TVR hard core mode? I would suggest thats further from reality than selling 59 600 bhp supercars.
TVR needs a car that will attract the kind of buyers that will keep it in business in the long run. Unfortunately £50k+ machines as the entry level models won't do that- nothing wrong with having these models as part of a range, but as has been demonstrated recently, this alone won't keep TVR going. I believe that what TVR needs is a great looking entry level soft top around the £30k mark, that gets new people into the marque who will then aspire to the more expensive cars in the range. It kind of had it with the Tamora, but that always had the reputation of the S6 engine and high running costs, and a new price tag of £40-odd k, not to mention styling that didn't necessarily capture the publics imagination. If it can get this right, then this will be the kind of car that will help get TVR back on it's feet again. all in my opinion of course...
No, you're wrong. £50k is fine as an entry level car as long as the car & the support/service is also good.
This is where the problem lies with TVR.
Firstly, servicing costs are a complete p!ss take. They cost as much as top end Ferrari's & 3 or 4 times as much as Porsches. Then there's the fact that you're normally without you're car for a week & they lend you a Corsa/mini or whatever. The Porsche is done in a couple of days & they normally lend us another Porsche.
Secondly, the joke that is the parts department. The saga of not being able to get clutches, etc, etc. I might be sorted & you might have been able to get them elsewhere, but why should you need to. If you've paid 50k if shouldn't be you're hassle to sort.
This is why TVR is failing, not because of the cars that are coming out. People expect a bit of hassle with performance cars, BUT, they expect to be treat well. TVR do not do this.
As for the 600bhp Typhon. If they build it I have no doubt it will sell. Maybe not in the quantities they mention, but it would sell. As would a supercharged Sagaris for 65k.
As for a 30k car, TVR could not compete with whats about as a whole package.
This is where the problem lies with TVR.
Firstly, servicing costs are a complete p!ss take. They cost as much as top end Ferrari's & 3 or 4 times as much as Porsches. Then there's the fact that you're normally without you're car for a week & they lend you a Corsa/mini or whatever. The Porsche is done in a couple of days & they normally lend us another Porsche.
Secondly, the joke that is the parts department. The saga of not being able to get clutches, etc, etc. I might be sorted & you might have been able to get them elsewhere, but why should you need to. If you've paid 50k if shouldn't be you're hassle to sort.
This is why TVR is failing, not because of the cars that are coming out. People expect a bit of hassle with performance cars, BUT, they expect to be treat well. TVR do not do this.
As for the 600bhp Typhon. If they build it I have no doubt it will sell. Maybe not in the quantities they mention, but it would sell. As would a supercharged Sagaris for 65k.
As for a 30k car, TVR could not compete with whats about as a whole package.
TVR has to make a profit and I can't see them retailing cars for any less than £40K - £50K.
At these prices the model become affordable to the vast majority of Tiv owners in a few years and it keeps the market stable.
At £50K plus the compeition and quality really explodes and I don't feel TVR can compete here. TVR seem to hold a position for great designs (inc the Sag) and power with a prebuilt car, just above the kit car market.
I don't seem to sense from anybody really that Nic is the right person for TVR. Even with all his money, he is just too young and inexperienced. We all were at 25.
I read today that the factory guys have been sitting around with nothing todo for months. Why weren't they using there time to create new models, concepts etc. Anything that would begun to create positive PR and restore the order book.
Perhaps it a case of just do what the boss want, keep your head down and get on with it. What they really need was a inspired leader with the abilities in marketing, production and quality.
Even the newest Ph'er on here know TVR needed to sort out quality years ago.
Maybe he should have cut the staff 2 years ago, used the 11 million he's lost to guarantee the SP6 engines of any age and sorted out newer production process at the factory.
TVR needs an owner with sympathy for the brand, experience, money and the willingness to accept small returns on investment.
Then again perhaps Nic is the guys - he's started out as a billionaire and he too can become a millionaire like Wheeler if he plays his cards right!
At these prices the model become affordable to the vast majority of Tiv owners in a few years and it keeps the market stable.
At £50K plus the compeition and quality really explodes and I don't feel TVR can compete here. TVR seem to hold a position for great designs (inc the Sag) and power with a prebuilt car, just above the kit car market.
I don't seem to sense from anybody really that Nic is the right person for TVR. Even with all his money, he is just too young and inexperienced. We all were at 25.
I read today that the factory guys have been sitting around with nothing todo for months. Why weren't they using there time to create new models, concepts etc. Anything that would begun to create positive PR and restore the order book.
Perhaps it a case of just do what the boss want, keep your head down and get on with it. What they really need was a inspired leader with the abilities in marketing, production and quality.
Even the newest Ph'er on here know TVR needed to sort out quality years ago.
Maybe he should have cut the staff 2 years ago, used the 11 million he's lost to guarantee the SP6 engines of any age and sorted out newer production process at the factory.
TVR needs an owner with sympathy for the brand, experience, money and the willingness to accept small returns on investment.
Then again perhaps Nic is the guys - he's started out as a billionaire and he too can become a millionaire like Wheeler if he plays his cards right!
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