Autocar - New Typhon Details?
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I've seen the CAD drawings and the scale model of the Typhoon and very nice it is too. Its not a Typhon. I was also told by a member of the "management" that the price would be circa £120,000 and would be built using carbon fibre, with a supercharged speed 6 engine developing 600bhp. I told them that would be out of most peoples price range but they assured me that by 2008 there would be a £50,000 version in some form or another. Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it.
bobs4c said:
This may already have been said previously, but the Typhon already exists,
albeit without:-
nubbin said:
it's all carbon fibre body and the supercharged speed six mated to TVR's own SMG, all of which were well developed before Peter Wheeler left.
bobs4c said:
the new car will be a Typhoon - according to LAST months Sprint.
So the extra 'o' has cost four(?) years and £50K...?
If you want to race a car at Le Mans in GT you need to produce, or have genuine plans to produce, a number of models the same as the one you race. However, many manufacturers have raced unique homogulated cars over the years and, it has to be said, for years.
The French are not sticklers for the rules when it suits them and I feel sure the ACO would like to encourage the great TVR invasion each year. "Yes, mate, honest, we'll build thousands." suits everyone.
Le Mans is the great European showroom. For any manufacturer who want to sell thousands of units in Europe it's a fairly cheap route to bring the marque to the attention of those who are not members of the masses. And the ACO needs to keep the race in the public eye and what better way than to have a new supercar or two.
Look at Peugeot. It was worth their while just to take part in practice without any intention of lasting longer than the pace car.
-This is based on uninformed speculation. I have no inside information on TVR-
The French are not sticklers for the rules when it suits them and I feel sure the ACO would like to encourage the great TVR invasion each year. "Yes, mate, honest, we'll build thousands." suits everyone.
Le Mans is the great European showroom. For any manufacturer who want to sell thousands of units in Europe it's a fairly cheap route to bring the marque to the attention of those who are not members of the masses. And the ACO needs to keep the race in the public eye and what better way than to have a new supercar or two.
Look at Peugeot. It was worth their while just to take part in practice without any intention of lasting longer than the pace car.
-This is based on uninformed speculation. I have no inside information on TVR-
Edited by Derek Smith on Wednesday 15th November 20:27
LOL . . . The Tam could've been the MX5 for grown-ups.
A 120 K TVR . . . with all the recent stories NO ONE will even think of signing in for an option. Have an effing laugh.
What are they thinking!?
Lately - err, last 1.5 years - TVR has been about rumours and bad PR jokes really . . .
OK, OK, I'll stop and leave it . . .
2nd hand market eh? Someone will get the bright idea and do TVR replica's!
BrandX Cerbera Hemi anyone? I might start a business here
A 120 K TVR . . . with all the recent stories NO ONE will even think of signing in for an option. Have an effing laugh.
What are they thinking!?
Lately - err, last 1.5 years - TVR has been about rumours and bad PR jokes really . . .
OK, OK, I'll stop and leave it . . .
2nd hand market eh? Someone will get the bright idea and do TVR replica's! BrandX Cerbera Hemi anyone? I might start a business here
Although £120k+ is a big leap, there's always a healthy but SMALL market for limited production ultra-performance cars, as a top-of-range totem, especially for a manufacturer with a national (still?!) and racing pedigree.
IMO the acid test will be IF it can do the business this time against it's nearest rivals, looks & performance probably no problem, but in all areas against LP640/FordGT etc ?
IMO the acid test will be IF it can do the business this time against it's nearest rivals, looks & performance probably no problem, but in all areas against LP640/FordGT etc ?
tail slide said:
Although £120k+ is a big leap, there's always a healthy but SMALL market for limited production ultra-performance cars, as a top-of-range totem, especially for a manufacturer with a national (still?!) and racing pedigree.
IMO the acid test will be IF it can do the business this time against it's nearest rivals, looks & performance probably no problem, but in all areas against LP640/FordGT etc ?
IMO the acid test will be IF it can do the business this time against it's nearest rivals, looks & performance probably no problem, but in all areas against LP640/FordGT etc ?
Going on our 440's performance - absolutely no problem. I think you will find the current two Typhon owners will say the same.
icraigmy said:
"Start production of the Tamora again because the Tamora is a sub £40k boxter - beater, in fact the only porsche that will knock it is a 911 Turbo."
No it is not a Porsche beater Craig. That is why TVR allegedly have no orders but Porsche have just posted profits of 1.39 billion euros in the year to 31/07/06 up from 779 million euros the year before.
If raw speed was everything, then everyone would buy some mad bike engined Caterfield but it isn't.
It's nearly 2007 and not 1992 anymore. Handling finesse, passive and active safety, reliability, durability, quality and usability are very important now.
"Start production of the Tamora again because the Tamora is a sub £40k boxter - beater, in fact the only porsche that will knock it is a 911 Turbo."
No it is not a Porsche beater Craig. That is why TVR allegedly have no orders but Porsche have just posted profits of 1.39 billion euros in the year to 31/07/06 up from 779 million euros the year before.
If raw speed was everything, then everyone would buy some mad bike engined Caterfield but it isn't.
It's nearly 2007 and not 1992 anymore. Handling finesse, passive and active safety, reliability, durability, quality and usability are very important now.
Derek Smith said:
If you want to race a car at Le Mans in GT you need to produce, or have genuine plans to produce, a number of models the same as the one you race. However, many manufacturers have raced unique homogulated cars over the years and, it has to be said, for years.
The French are not sticklers for the rules when it suits them and I feel sure the ACO would like to encourage the great TVR invasion each year. "Yes, mate, honest, we'll build thousands." suits everyone.
Le Mans is the great European showroom. For any manufacturer who want to sell thousands of units in Europe it's a fairly cheap route to bring the marque to the attention of those who are not members of the masses. And the ACO needs to keep the race in the public eye and what better way than to have a new supercar or two.
Look at Peugeot. It was worth their while just to take part in practice without any intention of lasting longer than the pace car.
-This is based on uninformed speculation. I have no inside information on TVR-
The French are not sticklers for the rules when it suits them and I feel sure the ACO would like to encourage the great TVR invasion each year. "Yes, mate, honest, we'll build thousands." suits everyone.
Le Mans is the great European showroom. For any manufacturer who want to sell thousands of units in Europe it's a fairly cheap route to bring the marque to the attention of those who are not members of the masses. And the ACO needs to keep the race in the public eye and what better way than to have a new supercar or two.
Look at Peugeot. It was worth their while just to take part in practice without any intention of lasting longer than the pace car.
-This is based on uninformed speculation. I have no inside information on TVR-
Edited by Derek Smith on Wednesday 15th November 20:27
If they enter a production class like before then if you do not build the required amount of cars (25 / car entered) then like the
last time TVR race - they were penalised with 2 extra air restrictors because both cars qualified and < 25 cars were built.
We the public was robbed of a TVR vs Porsche battle..
Shame
Redtuscan said:
Handling finesse, passive and active safety, reliability, durability, quality and usability are very important now.
If one leaves out handling, where I would suggest the Tamora has a higher, and more predicatble, limit, then if you reckon the rest of us view finesse, passive and active safety, reliability, durability, quality and usability as important, why don't we all drive Toyotas?
Passive and active safety - dear me!
ntel said:
I've seen the CAD drawings and the scale model of the Typhoon and very nice it is too. Its not a Typhon. I was also told by a member of the "management" that the price would be circa £120,000 and would be built using carbon fibre, with a supercharged speed 6 engine developing 600bhp. I told them that would be out of most peoples price range but they assured me that by 2008 there would be a £50,000 version in some form or another. Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it.
Good to see their confident in being around in 2008.
FFG
RedTuscan said:
Mr Smith, you drive a Chimaera. You are clearly happy with 1992, the rest of the world is not.
The fact that Porsche are doing so well proves that you do not have to buy a Toyota if you desire from a car the factors that I describe.
The fact that Porsche are doing so well proves that you do not have to buy a Toyota if you desire from a car the factors that I describe.
I dont think we can compare modern day Porsche and modern day TVR as we could the 2 companies back in the early 90's. Since then Porsche have poured shedloads of money into the business and TVR...er...havent. Not only that but they have kept their profile high, kept the racing activities in the public eye, their PR and brand appeal high and renovated their product line up, what 2 times since then? TVR have done it once.
The safety features of Porsche are not what is fueling their profits. Stability, investment, development and evolution are doing that. TVR went for instability, little investment, revolution and then development. They also didnt try and change their market place much, the cars are effectively priced pretty much as they always have been, hell, you could even argue Porsche has become cheaper relatively speaking...actually you could argue that quite easily. Top spec 911 Turbos were £100k+ in the late 80s and 90s and they still are today, but that is the best part of 20yrs inflation and the cars have damn nr dbl the power and are light yrs dynamically from where they were. Again a situation not found at TVR.
There are a few different ways to skin the same cat, but safety features arent a big part of any of them. Cachet however, is.
DJC said:
RedTuscan said:
Mr Smith, you drive a Chimaera. You are clearly happy with 1992, the rest of the world is not.
The fact that Porsche are doing so well proves that you do not have to buy a Toyota if you desire from a car the factors that I describe.
The fact that Porsche are doing so well proves that you do not have to buy a Toyota if you desire from a car the factors that I describe.
I dont think we can compare modern day Porsche and modern day TVR as we could the 2 companies back in the early 90's. Since then Porsche have poured shedloads of money into the business and TVR...er...havent. Not only that but they have kept their profile high, kept the racing activities in the public eye, their PR and brand appeal high and renovated their product line up, what 2 times since then? TVR have done it once.
The safety features of Porsche are not what is fueling their profits. Stability, investment, development and evolution are doing that. TVR went for instability, little investment, revolution and then development. They also didnt try and change their market place much, the cars are effectively priced pretty much as they always have been, hell, you could even argue Porsche has become cheaper relatively speaking...actually you could argue that quite easily. Top spec 911 Turbos were £100k+ in the late 80s and 90s and they still are today, but that is the best part of 20yrs inflation and the cars have damn nr dbl the power and are light yrs dynamically from where they were. Again a situation not found at TVR.
There are a few different ways to skin the same cat, but safety features arent a big part of any of them. Cachet however, is.
RedTuscan said:
Mr Smith, you drive a Chimaera. You are clearly happy with 1992, the rest of the world is not.
The fact that Porsche are doing so well proves that you do not have to buy a Toyota if you desire from a car the factors that I describe.
Blow me, you are right. The world has turned to safety first. That's why no one nowadays, unless they are living in the 1990s, buys a motorbike, a Caterham, a car that gives them a thrill. Or plays rugby, goes mountain climbing or turns off the satnav just to see where the road takes them. Perish the thought that something might happen. The fact that Porsche are doing so well proves that you do not have to buy a Toyota if you desire from a car the factors that I describe.
The fact that Porsche are doing so well is more to do with the fact that they spend ooddles on marketing aimed at those who probably work in marketing.
What I am saying is that not everyone considers add on safety; abs, a widget that turns off the engine if you are enjoying yourself, not to mention a device which go ping if it thinks you are not thinking, as advantages. If you want that sort of thing, go Toyota. If you want thrills and the joy of driving then the Porsche route is not for me and, I know full well, many others.
I'm living in the '90s because my income is. If I had the money I'd go for a Tamora, without a shadow of a doubt. I've driven a few cars over the years and every modern TVR but the Sagaris, and there's nothing that gets the excitement going like a Tam, at least under £100k. The car has something no current Porsche has, perfect balance.
You get nothing for nothing. If you want the car to do the driving for you, you miss so much. Modern cars emasculate. Go on, lock the wheels, slide the back end and, most importantly, put your heart-rate up.
You only have one life. If safety is your thing then work out who you will leave your unused bits of life to when you go.
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