Al Melling Plans to keep TVR British
Discussion
holmsie said:
It's 'below the belt' because i think it's unfair to lay the Speed6 problem at Al Mellings feet!
He helped design the AJP6. The Speed6 was the result of TVR taking the AJP6 and changing it's design/using cheaper and more inferior components, to cut costs!
For all we know the AJP6 may have been a fantastic engine if it had been left as it was, but i guess we'll never know. Or will we?
He helped design the AJP6. The Speed6 was the result of TVR taking the AJP6 and changing it's design/using cheaper and more inferior components, to cut costs!
For all we know the AJP6 may have been a fantastic engine if it had been left as it was, but i guess we'll never know. Or will we?
Is it? Read what the poster wrote - it's not, it challenges Mellings ability to deliver what would be requied to be a saviour of the marque. As far as I am concerened, but I dont know all the facts, he's demonstrated little in the past of what would be required. As I posted earlier, I know him best as the Rochadale Cowboy....
Mellings input to the S6 is the subject of much discussion, mailnly on sided. Others were professional enough not to get involved in the bar room brawl. No doubt this thread will have its passionante pro Melling folk, and I'm sure a high % of those will have written big cheques to Craft recently.
unrepentant said:
holmsie said:
It's 'below the belt' because i think it's unfair to lay the Speed6 problem at Al Mellings feet!
He helped design the AJP6. The Speed6 was the result of TVR taking the AJP6 and changing it's design/using cheaper and more inferior components, to cut costs!
For all we know the AJP6 may have been a fantastic engine if it had been left as it was, but i guess we'll never know. Or will we?
He helped design the AJP6. The Speed6 was the result of TVR taking the AJP6 and changing it's design/using cheaper and more inferior components, to cut costs!
For all we know the AJP6 may have been a fantastic engine if it had been left as it was, but i guess we'll never know. Or will we?
I have a copy of a letter from TVR somewhere saying that the Melling designed SP6 lasted less than half an hour.
Really? A letter from TVR? Well it must be true then!!
holmsie said:
unrepentant said:
holmsie said:
It's 'below the belt' because i think it's unfair to lay the Speed6 problem at Al Mellings feet!
He helped design the AJP6. The Speed6 was the result of TVR taking the AJP6 and changing it's design/using cheaper and more inferior components, to cut costs!
For all we know the AJP6 may have been a fantastic engine if it had been left as it was, but i guess we'll never know. Or will we?
He helped design the AJP6. The Speed6 was the result of TVR taking the AJP6 and changing it's design/using cheaper and more inferior components, to cut costs!
For all we know the AJP6 may have been a fantastic engine if it had been left as it was, but i guess we'll never know. Or will we?
I have a copy of a letter from TVR somewhere saying that the Melling designed SP6 lasted less than half an hour.
Really? A letter from TVR? Well it must be true then!!
Understand where you're coming from.
Strange statement to make if its not true though? This letter was Aug 05 and actally I was wrong. It said the engine lasted 15 minutes, not 30!
The only reason why Al Mellings name has been thrown into the broth, is because a friend/associate of his made the statement and from what Ive read, Al didnt mind.
I cant remember where I read it, but apprently there are 15-20 interested parties.
I dont know if this number was taken from previous dealings before Smollenski was stripped of his rights, or whether its a newly obtained figure from recent applications, but many of those who intend to bid may want to keep it close to their chests. Al Melling might not have released a pfficial statement as yet, but I believe we should all just sit back and watch the fireworks as there is nothing more we can do!
Despite what has happened in the past, I think we should show support if someone is attempting to bring back production to Blackpool and keep the name alive. As I said on the TVRCC forum; Despite the things that happened previously, Al Melling, if successfull, will be using his own money and his own name to a very brave project and it is his money and his reputation on the line ergo I dont think he'll want to make a complete hash of things
Again, time will reveal all
I cant remember where I read it, but apprently there are 15-20 interested parties.
I dont know if this number was taken from previous dealings before Smollenski was stripped of his rights, or whether its a newly obtained figure from recent applications, but many of those who intend to bid may want to keep it close to their chests. Al Melling might not have released a pfficial statement as yet, but I believe we should all just sit back and watch the fireworks as there is nothing more we can do!
Despite what has happened in the past, I think we should show support if someone is attempting to bring back production to Blackpool and keep the name alive. As I said on the TVRCC forum; Despite the things that happened previously, Al Melling, if successfull, will be using his own money and his own name to a very brave project and it is his money and his reputation on the line ergo I dont think he'll want to make a complete hash of things
Again, time will reveal all
yzf1070 said:
Max Attacker said:
Not wanting to dampen the atmosphere too much BUT:
Melling is pretty unlikely to be the saviour of TVR.
In terms of being able to turn out regular reliable product on a wek by wek production basis with minimal warranty issues etc then he has very little evidence to back his claims, unless of course you have actually seen the other engines he has been involved with that are not subjevt to secerecy and confidentiality.
The TVR engines, V8 and S6 are the only ones I know of in the public domain and whilst they both have their good point, esp the V8, then they are not exactly the saviours of anyone.
Indeed it should be argued that the S6 was the exact opposite, ultimately the downfall of TVR.
If you want references then try asking Norton or Lola or Frank Dernie at what was Ligier, or some ex McLaren chaps etc See what they recommend
As for BA not knowing exactly what assets they did and did not own, well that says enough in itself.
Melling is pretty unlikely to be the saviour of TVR.
In terms of being able to turn out regular reliable product on a wek by wek production basis with minimal warranty issues etc then he has very little evidence to back his claims, unless of course you have actually seen the other engines he has been involved with that are not subjevt to secerecy and confidentiality.
The TVR engines, V8 and S6 are the only ones I know of in the public domain and whilst they both have their good point, esp the V8, then they are not exactly the saviours of anyone.
Indeed it should be argued that the S6 was the exact opposite, ultimately the downfall of TVR.
If you want references then try asking Norton or Lola or Frank Dernie at what was Ligier, or some ex McLaren chaps etc See what they recommend
As for BA not knowing exactly what assets they did and did not own, well that says enough in itself.
Ohhh thats well under the belt.....care to reveal yourself? Bet not...!
Edited by yzf1070 on Sunday 4th February 15:11
This isnt going to go down too well, but i have to say 'IN MY OPINION' the v8 and speed six engines were nothing better than a joke when they came from mr M.
The fantastic engines they are now is entirely due to J.R. and S.H.
They could have been much further improved with a little funding!
Sorry if this doesent sit well with some.
happyfluffer said:
yzf1070 said:
Max Attacker said:
Not wanting to dampen the atmosphere too much BUT:
Melling is pretty unlikely to be the saviour of TVR.
In terms of being able to turn out regular reliable product on a wek by wek production basis with minimal warranty issues etc then he has very little evidence to back his claims, unless of course you have actually seen the other engines he has been involved with that are not subjevt to secerecy and confidentiality.
The TVR engines, V8 and S6 are the only ones I know of in the public domain and whilst they both have their good point, esp the V8, then they are not exactly the saviours of anyone.
Indeed it should be argued that the S6 was the exact opposite, ultimately the downfall of TVR.
If you want references then try asking Norton or Lola or Frank Dernie at what was Ligier, or some ex McLaren chaps etc See what they recommend
As for BA not knowing exactly what assets they did and did not own, well that says enough in itself.
Melling is pretty unlikely to be the saviour of TVR.
In terms of being able to turn out regular reliable product on a wek by wek production basis with minimal warranty issues etc then he has very little evidence to back his claims, unless of course you have actually seen the other engines he has been involved with that are not subjevt to secerecy and confidentiality.
The TVR engines, V8 and S6 are the only ones I know of in the public domain and whilst they both have their good point, esp the V8, then they are not exactly the saviours of anyone.
Indeed it should be argued that the S6 was the exact opposite, ultimately the downfall of TVR.
If you want references then try asking Norton or Lola or Frank Dernie at what was Ligier, or some ex McLaren chaps etc See what they recommend
As for BA not knowing exactly what assets they did and did not own, well that says enough in itself.
Ohhh thats well under the belt.....care to reveal yourself? Bet not...!
Edited by yzf1070 on Sunday 4th February 15:11
This isnt going to go down too well, but i have to say 'IN MY OPINION' the v8 and speed six engines were nothing better than a joke when they came from mr M.
The fantastic engines they are now is entirely due to J.R. and S.H.
They could have been much further improved with a little funding!
Sorry if this doesent sit well with some.
*sigh*
Can we not go into this please? For one thing outside of the ex-workers I think only about 2 ppl on here know who SH is! There is only bad blood going to come out of this discussion and it simply isnt worth it. If John or Simon or Peter ever wanted to say anything in public they would do, they havent chosen to do so so far and its not our business to do it for them.
happyfluffer said:
Having worked in engine development with the above people for 11 years I feel 'qualified' to comment.
Rest assured though i will say no more, if you dont want to hear about anything on this site other than rumours and supposition, cool.
Rest assured though i will say no more, if you dont want to hear about anything on this site other than rumours and supposition, cool.
Oi - fluffer! Don't let him get you down, he is menopausal or something at the mo
Edited by KirstM on Tuesday 6th February 19:51
happyfluffer said:
This isnt going to go down too well, but i have to say 'IN MY OPINION' the v8 and speed six engines were nothing better than a joke when they came from mr M.
The fantastic engines they are now is entirely due to J.R. and S.H.
They could have been much further improved with a little funding!
Sorry if this doesent sit well with some.
Well said. It is nice to hear some facts from the other side of the fence for once.
i agree regarding hearing from the other side of the fence. so to speak.
The TVR factory has had its fair share of criticism (to say the least) particularly regarding the SP6 and the assumption has been by many that the original Melling design would of been more reliable than the version sent out of the TVR factory.
Words like cost-cutting being thrown around quite regularly.
I'd certainly be interested in the opinions of the guys on the shop floor.
(obviously i hope everyone can manage not to turn this into a slagging off session in either direction)
regards,
Nick
The TVR factory has had its fair share of criticism (to say the least) particularly regarding the SP6 and the assumption has been by many that the original Melling design would of been more reliable than the version sent out of the TVR factory.
Words like cost-cutting being thrown around quite regularly.
I'd certainly be interested in the opinions of the guys on the shop floor.
(obviously i hope everyone can manage not to turn this into a slagging off session in either direction)
regards,
Nick
gazzab said:
happyfluffer said:
This isnt going to go down too well, but i have to say 'IN MY OPINION' the v8 and speed six engines were nothing better than a joke when they came from mr M.
The fantastic engines they are now is entirely due to J.R. and S.H.
They could have been much further improved with a little funding!
Sorry if this doesent sit well with some.
Well said. It is nice to hear some facts from the other side of the fence for once.
OH yes ,ask about the cam he designed for the rover 5.0
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