Does it have to be TVR?
Discussion
JakeR said:
your shish is normally charcoal grilled on a iron grid.
whereas the doner (or sharwarma if you're posh) is rotisserie grilled.
therefore, while shish is great as a foodstuff, it is unsuitable for powering a sports (or any other) car.
i hope that helps.
Whilst agreeing with you in principal I find that if you leave some shish on your barbecue till say - next time you clean it - the consistency of the shish has changed and it can then be used as a coal substitute and may be considered, at that stage, to be a fuel or a derivative thereof and may therefore, under those specific circumstances and not withstanding any additional factors that may or may not as the case may be come into play, be considered suitable as an alternative means of powering a motorised vehicle to say, a doner.
mrmaggit said:
Waaaay over my head.
Don't do that: you'll get covered in chilly sauce & lettuce.
The "own engine" thing does presumably help keep costs predictable for TVR. Noble factory/dealers now have to carry spares for 2.5 and 3.0, and whenever there is a warranty claim (which admittedly should be rare with the Ford lump), you can bet that the wrong part will be on hand, costing time & money to sort out.
More importantly, an OEM engine gives the car personality, and the company a brand. A Ferrari V12 or flat plane V8 is just as much a signature, aurally and visually, as the body shape. So why not a Speed Six for TVR? They were just unlucky that their first choice had some issues.
Podie said:
Originally the Ford Duratec V6 was a 2.5... but capacity was increased to 3.0. It makes little sense for Ford to produce a 2.5 for customers AND a 3.0 for themselves... hence the reason Noble's now have a 3.0.
I fail to see why this is a bad thing though...
It's a bad thing if Noble didn't want to go to a bigger engline.
Jim'schim said:
Podie said:
Originally the Ford Duratec V6 was a 2.5... but capacity was increased to 3.0. It makes little sense for Ford to produce a 2.5 for customers AND a 3.0 for themselves... hence the reason Noble's now have a 3.0.
I fail to see why this is a bad thing though...
It's a bad thing if Noble didn't want to go to a bigger engline.
Why would they not want a higher displacement engine...? Weight is similar... more power and more torque...
... perhaps that is the price of progress..?
EDIT - I'm also sure there would be an agreed period of supply. I seem to recall Ford started using the 3.0 in the Mondeo, whilst Noble were still being supplied with the 2.5 for a while...
>> Edited by Podie on Tuesday 23 December 13:07
I'm sure the Ford 4.6 quad cam is being retrofitted by some manufacturers, wasn't there some talk about this on Top Gear recently. Also, I was at Bentley the other week and they are using the VW 'W' engine in some applications. I had a day looking around the plant especially the engine lines. There is an impressive v8 on their dyno as well 
and it's not one of theirs.
It makes a lot of sense to buy motors direct from source especially if you know they are going to be popular and mass produced. I was told that tvr were interested in the ls1 but that was at the pre-production stage and it went no further then that. It would fit IMHO and I think they should have used it myself. The costs would have come down with time.
and it's not one of theirs. It makes a lot of sense to buy motors direct from source especially if you know they are going to be popular and mass produced. I was told that tvr were interested in the ls1 but that was at the pre-production stage and it went no further then that. It would fit IMHO and I think they should have used it myself. The costs would have come down with time.
Think of the really great car makers, ferrari, porsche, Lambo etc. They have all done it with their own engines (I admit I'm not sure what VW are shoving in Lambos these days). If PW wants to play their game then he needs his own motors.
Noble and the like are not in the same market, I think they are more out and out sportscars/track cars whereas TVR are more a very interesting GT.
Anyway even though I have said more than once that I would have a Cerbera with a sorted M5 V8 in it I still love my ancient 4.2 (clatter cams) AJP8 and I'm really pleased they made it.
Long live the S6..
D.
Noble and the like are not in the same market, I think they are more out and out sportscars/track cars whereas TVR are more a very interesting GT.
Anyway even though I have said more than once that I would have a Cerbera with a sorted M5 V8 in it I still love my ancient 4.2 (clatter cams) AJP8 and I'm really pleased they made it.
Long live the S6..
D.
pistolar said:
but would the latest TVRs be any less desirable? would it put you off buying one? or would they be less of a TVR?
No less of a TVR, in fact you could argue it would be more. But
IT'S NOT A V8! So to answer your other question, I would never buy a TVR S6 - I don't like the characteristics or the sound. I also don't like the latest crop of interiors much. The Tuscan is growing on me but wrong engine.
The fact that their designing, producing and using their own engines is a step forward for the company in terms of being recognised as a 'real' manufacturer, the fact that Noble etc. use bought in engines is a matter of economic reality rather than choice, given a blank cheque do you think Noble or anyone else would not prefer to design their own light's, switchgear, engines etc..?? The fact that the original bought in product is modified/changed clearly shows it to be a compromise.
Think of it this way you can spend a heap of money and time on getting your existing house 'right'.. but if you could, wouldn't you rather buy a nice bit of land and sit down with an architect to design your ideal?
>> Edited by singh on Tuesday 23 December 18:06
Think of it this way you can spend a heap of money and time on getting your existing house 'right'.. but if you could, wouldn't you rather buy a nice bit of land and sit down with an architect to design your ideal?
>> Edited by singh on Tuesday 23 December 18:06
I think it's a good step as some one above said, it takes the kit car image away from TVR and puts them into a "real" manufacturer category. As often remarked by one very jelous co worker at my office. "It's only a Ford with a lump of Plastic on it." I know this is only Jealousy but not too good from a coroprate view.
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