Griff/Chim PAS rack removal guide

Griff/Chim PAS rack removal guide

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BliarOut

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72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 18th January 2010
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TVR Griffith PAS Rack removal guide.

Time taken: Two hours.

Tools required:
Metric ring and open ended spanners
5/8 open ended spanner
Hammer
Mallet
Large flat screwdriver
Ball joint splitter
Jack
Axle stands
Socket set with universal joint
Oil drain tray

Method:
First loosen the front wheel nuts and jack the front end as high as you can. I find the front crossmember is good for this. If you can’t quite get the jack under drive the car onto two blocks of wood.



Once the car is jacked up and securely supported on axle stands you can remove the front wheels and place them under the car for additional safety.

The first step is to remove the exhaust ‘Y’ piece to give you access to the rack. You will need to undo the two M6 nuts on the band clamps (circled) and then tap the clamps open with a hammer and flat screwdriver. They may be a little tight if they haven’t been undone for a while and I’d recommend wire brushing the threads if they’re dirty/rusty as the clamps are expensive.



Next you need to remove the two M8 nuts (circled) holding the exhaust clamp in place and remove the bolt (arrowed) which secures the front of the exhaust to the engine.



Liberally spray WD40 around the exhaust joint, it makes removing the Y piece much easier.
Removal is just a case of wriggling it from above until it finally gives in. It takes a lot of wriggling! Once the Y piece is free you can get access to the rack fairly easily as can be seen in the pics below.





Loosen the nuts securing the track rod ends. I tend to measure/count the threads before I remove the lock nuts to get the geometry good enough to drive for alignment when the car is rebuilt.



I use an old fashioned fork splitter to undo the track rods.




When you’re working inside the offside arch loosen and remove the three M8 nuts and bolts that secure the steering UJs to the rack, but don’t try to split them as yet. They’ll just pull apart when you come to remove the rack.

Drain the PAS fluid. You can remove a fair bit from the reservoir with a syringe/turkey baster but some will inevitably need draining from below. Undo the jubilee clip that secures the low pressure pipe to the rack (circled), pull off the pipe and drain into a catch tray from below.



You can loosen and remove the high pressure pipe while it’s draining. Also undo the unions on the two external feed pipes and remove them, this makes getting the rack out much easier. It is possible to remove the rack with them attached but it takes much longer.



The rack is now ready to be unbolted and removed from the car. Undo the four M8 bolts that hold the rack to the chassis and rotate it forward to disengage the lower UJ. Once the rack is free slide it into the near side wheel arch.



With the rack in this position angle the offside track rod upwards and then remove the rack vertically through the chassis rails.



The rack removed:



Finally reassemble the external oil lines and insert bungs to prevent the ingress of dirt and fluid leakage during transit.



Unless you specifically ask them not to, most places will paint your lovely aluminium rack black!

Disclaimer:
If you're not 100% confident in your abilities do not attempt to work on your own vehicle. Your health and safety is your own responsibility, this guide has been published to assist competent home mechanics understand what's involved.


Edited by BliarOut on Friday 22 January 09:40

BliarOut

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239 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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It can indeed, but I'm expert at removing the Y piece now biggrin The only caveat with removing the pinion is that there are loose bearings present, plus there's a risk of getting dirt in there when you reassemble.

miniman

24,956 posts

262 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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Nice write up thumbup

Meatball

1,638 posts

210 months

Thursday 21st January 2010
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I dont know if the chims different i had to take my rack out through the top via the removed y piece as it wouldnt fit out the drivers wheel arch

forgot to say ask the recon place not to paint the bloody thing

Edited by Meatball on Thursday 21st January 21:57

BliarOut

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Friday 22nd January 2010
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Good point about the painting, I've added a note about it thumbup

I've had the rack out enough times now and done it in enough different ways to say the above route is probably the quickest and the most likely to get your rack out without running into other problems. If I'm writing it up as a guide I want to be sure what I say works for all cars.

You *can* get the rack out with the external lines attached, but it takes longer to get it lined up and rotated so that it comes out than it does to remove the lines in the first place.

You *can* get the rack out by removing the pinion assembly but you may drop the bearings in dirt or lose them when you dismantle it, plus you'll lose any warranty on your rack when you strip it to reinstall it.

I would say the above technique is the safest bet if you don't have your own method to work to.


BliarOut

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239 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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And here are a couple of pics of my cunning yet devilishly simple mod, an inline filter in the return pipe designed specifically for ATF/ATQ. Hopefully that'll allow the rack to stay put a bit longer than the current seasonal rebuilds biggrin

ETA: My rack has also been modified internally with an additional oil seal where the end cap fits. There will be other internal mods available shortly too, but I've been asked not to say what they are for the time being.






Edited by BliarOut on Wednesday 27th January 17:37

BliarOut

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Wednesday 27th January 2010
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There's enough oil under there to keep her going for a good few years now biggrin

hiltonig

3,151 posts

208 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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and the floor is well lubricated !!!

Johno

8,417 posts

282 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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For those who know Rob and I are competing for the greatest number of rebuilds can I extend some thanks to him for pointing me towards Kiley Clinton. Peter and Roger were fantastic when I wandered in off the street with another bleeding rack story . .

We stripped the rack down to it's inherent weakness and fortunately mine was in better nick than Rob's . . Namely it still had all its thread on it. The picture below is out of focus and done with the Blackberry, so apologies. But it's the end cap which is the inherent issue. The first mod is to machine the face to the left of the thread in the photo with a groove to take an 'O' ring to help seal the end cap better rather than hoping loctite and good fortune will hold back 1000psi and enthusiastic use. . . The other mod is a great engineering solution to another inherent issue . . .

My rack is is having the new mod and if anyone wants detail then PM me, otherwise I've also committed not to talk about it on the forums.




hiltonig

3,151 posts

208 months

Monday 15th February 2010
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hows the rack refirbs going then, is this mods a worthwhile one ???, or one to only be done if your rack is knackered ?

BliarOut

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239 months

Monday 15th February 2010
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Mine's good, but I've cycled further than I have driven of late biggrin

I'd say if your rack is good but you haven't replaced the flexible pipes then I'd be inclined to do them and fit the filter as you do it to improve the longevity.

Apparently part of the reason for the failures is the pipes break down internally with age and then the detritus and hot micro swarf from the pump gets continually pumped around until they finally let go.

hiltonig

3,151 posts

208 months

Monday 15th February 2010
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new pipes it is then !!

BliarOut

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Monday 15th February 2010
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Designation do the flexible stuff but I'd get a 'genuine' high pressure one as the fitting on mine is a little bulky.

roysum

961 posts

189 months

Monday 15th February 2010
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What no videos !!laugh

Seriously, nice guide, cheers.

Roy.

roysum

961 posts

189 months

Monday 15th February 2010
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Quinny said:
roysum said:
What no videos !!laugh
Amateurrolleyesrolleyes







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rofl

haircutmike

21,844 posts

204 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2010
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Meatball said:
I dont know if the chims different i had to take my rack out through the top via the removed y piece as it wouldnt fit out the drivers wheel arch

forgot to say ask the recon place not to paint the bloody thing

Edited by Meatball on Thursday 21st January 21:57
I know it's a bit late but for chim owners the rack does come out through the "nearside" wheel arch.

Jack up under the sump to lift the front of the engine a tad.

I believe I loosened the nearside of the ARB and disconnected that end as well.

A lot of wiggling and twisting and it will come out!

Cursing not optional!

HCM.

klimakool

592 posts

175 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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thanks very much for this write up, i'll be doing this tomorrow. cheers guys

pmessling

2,284 posts

203 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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Bit of a thread resurrection here.

What's the other mod on the rack.

The o ring is a good idea which I can do on the lathe.

I have a tamora rack to put in my cerbera so going to overhaul the tamora rack before it goes in.

WinstonWolf

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239 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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I'm not sure what the other mod is, they never told me. Personally I'd put a Subaru rack in if I had mine out again...

pmessling

2,284 posts

203 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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I do have a Subaru rack in the garage as this was going to be what i was going to do, but then a tamora rack come up so grabbed that as it will simplify the swap over.

Whilst it is out i will have a look at the Subaru rack to see the feasibility of future swap if the tamora rack doesn't last.

It my winter project so no rush doing it.