RE: TVR To Return With US V8s
Discussion
Things that strike me.
Firstly a US V8 creat engine is probably the only way the brand can survive, I mean every Dick and Harry knows that the US engines are pretty bullet proof and have a lot of spares/upgrades kicking about for little money. Instantly you have drawn in all those people who would love a TVR but dont really fancy getting their hands dirty or sorting out minor issues.
Secondly Germany ownership of Lambo dosnt seem to have hurt it that much and infact has made the company bigger than ever. If you were to say to someone that you could buy a reliable lambo they would have laughed at you, yet they still make the same bonkers cars but they are much better built.
I am very very worried about the spares though, my one hope would be that spares would get cheaper with a factory backing.
Firstly a US V8 creat engine is probably the only way the brand can survive, I mean every Dick and Harry knows that the US engines are pretty bullet proof and have a lot of spares/upgrades kicking about for little money. Instantly you have drawn in all those people who would love a TVR but dont really fancy getting their hands dirty or sorting out minor issues.
Secondly Germany ownership of Lambo dosnt seem to have hurt it that much and infact has made the company bigger than ever. If you were to say to someone that you could buy a reliable lambo they would have laughed at you, yet they still make the same bonkers cars but they are much better built.
I am very very worried about the spares though, my one hope would be that spares would get cheaper with a factory backing.
Springbok said:
I've owned many many TVR's but would I buy a product off these people for £70k or find myself a nearly new Aston V8 for the same money - and with full dealer back-up.
As the Meekhat says - "simples" - the Aston.
Hmm, would be 'simples' maybe if you could buy Aston Martins that weigh a bit closer to a metric tonne. I don't see even the V12V as a hooligan Brit sports car, which remains TVR's niche...As the Meekhat says - "simples" - the Aston.
Me, I'd have one of each but until I'm a bit older I don't feel I'm missing out on too much not having the Aston...
swanny71 said:
Here we go again
I like the sound of using a V8 crate engine and really hope they succeed this time. But £70k+ is too much for a TVR and building them in Germany surely removes a large part of their appeal (for many current/potential TVR owners anyway)
Still at least it'll make for lively debate on here for a few days
Agree on all counts.I like the sound of using a V8 crate engine and really hope they succeed this time. But £70k+ is too much for a TVR and building them in Germany surely removes a large part of their appeal (for many current/potential TVR owners anyway)
Still at least it'll make for lively debate on here for a few days
And yes, at that price in that market my money would be going on a Wiesmann or an AM V8.
Be nice to see the badge back, but that's a lot of wedge (no pun) for a car which surely has had all the development costs amortised AND is using a crate engine! (How much is that new Ginetta, btw?)
Hate to add the old statement, but TVRs were sucessfully when they were cheaper and faster than the competion, then any niggles weren't so bad as you knew you were getting a british hand made sportcar.
If this is going to be 70k+ and built in germany or wherever. It's going to need to compete against things like the 911 and GTR head on. I think it's another f
k up but can't wait to see what happens.
If this is going to be 70k+ and built in germany or wherever. It's going to need to compete against things like the 911 and GTR head on. I think it's another f
k up but can't wait to see what happens.I suspect it will be "another" Chevy small-block powered, low volume production sports car.
However, that's no bad thing, considering the engine's proven performance and RELIABILITY track record.
Still not so sure about how trustworthy that Nikolai Smolenski fellow is, but to me TVR's return is something to look forward to, even if it is German built.
The best bit for me is that I might see a new TVR here! (We've missed over two decades of hot cars like the Cerbera, Speed Six, and Speed Twelve here in the 'ol US of A.)
However, that's no bad thing, considering the engine's proven performance and RELIABILITY track record.
Still not so sure about how trustworthy that Nikolai Smolenski fellow is, but to me TVR's return is something to look forward to, even if it is German built.
The best bit for me is that I might see a new TVR here! (We've missed over two decades of hot cars like the Cerbera, Speed Six, and Speed Twelve here in the 'ol US of A.)
TVR has evolved over the years many times and although this new incarnation won't appeal to the old school TVR owner, it is still likely to find a new breed of owners who won't know of previous highs and lows of blackpools exploits and they will just be happy with there new shiny toy! we all have our favorite 007 or doctor who and hate it when they get chopped for the new young upstart but we get used to them in the end and will be moaning in years to come when things evolve again.
or it could be like only fools and horses/rock and chips and be a right cock up from the start
or it could be like only fools and horses/rock and chips and be a right cock up from the start
The big problem with when TVRs were cheap was the fact that they were cheap. As has been mentioned those that have to pay more for them due to import duties in relevant countries invariably have alternate forms of transport. In the UK they were attainable as an only form of transport which caused a lot of problems when things went wrong.
If moving up a price band moves them to being third, or even fourth cars in a household, the people buying them will not have as much issue if there is a failure of any sort. This would mean less bad press which can only be a good thing.
If moving up a price band moves them to being third, or even fourth cars in a household, the people buying them will not have as much issue if there is a failure of any sort. This would mean less bad press which can only be a good thing.
£70k, surely that ruins the whole idea of TVR's. Im only 22 and never owned a TVR but as far as my car knowledge goes TVRS have always been the cheaper and more raw cars which generally kick the more expensive cars into touch with regard to fun and out right racing performance!!
If they are selling the TVR for 70k, they are putting themselves into competition with some nice 911's and a cheapo R8, which are more every day cars. Are people who want a weekend rip around going to fork out 70k on a TVR.
just my 2p
If they are selling the TVR for 70k, they are putting themselves into competition with some nice 911's and a cheapo R8, which are more every day cars. Are people who want a weekend rip around going to fork out 70k on a TVR.
just my 2p
900T-R said:
Springbok said:
I've owned many many TVR's but would I buy a product off these people for £70k or find myself a nearly new Aston V8 for the same money - and with full dealer back-up.
As the Meekhat says - "simples" - the Aston.
Hmm, would be 'simples' maybe if you could buy Aston Martins that weigh a bit closer to a metric tonne. I don't see even the V12V as a hooligan Brit sports car, which remains TVR's niche...As the Meekhat says - "simples" - the Aston.
Me, I'd have one of each but until I'm a bit older I don't feel I'm missing out on too much not having the Aston...
TVR Beaver said:
T89 Callan said:
Made in Germany?
I'm not usually bothered by were a car is made but a German built TVR just wouldn't be right.
+1... Made in England is all part of it... Made in Germany... You can keep it!!I'm not usually bothered by were a car is made but a German built TVR just wouldn't be right.
ds! Making TVRs in Germany? Why, that'll rob owners of the thrill of standing by the side of the road for hours on end with the bonnet up.Why does it matter where they're built? The biggest issue as far as I can see with Deutsch-built TVRs is that a right-hand-drive version would be unlikely. Which would be a pain in the arse, admittedly.
I don't care who's driving it or where it is. I'd just be glad to know that the name exists in a driveable form. Anything has to be better than the name languishing on a piece of paper in a drawer somewhere. If the company goes on to make fine V8 powered beasts, then that's great. If, on the other hand, they start to market hybrid golf buggies, we can all revel in the fact that we got our cars in the golden age of the brand.
I wish them the best of luck.
I wish them the best of luck.
Same old same old
Every week when I open the motoring section of the Sunday paper I am met by a Glassfibre/Carbonfibre supercar powered by a 400 + BHP corvette engine priced at £80-300K.
When is somebody going to realise that there is a niche for a reasonably priced sportscar for enthusiasts.
When I bought my first TVR it was a Tasmin for £11K, which at the time was a similar price to a small BMW.Even Caterhams and Exiges can tip the scale at £40K+.
I appreciate that it is easier to build smaller numbers of cars and charge greater prices, but there is still a market for a sensibly priced proper sports car. TVR was always that car.
Every week when I open the motoring section of the Sunday paper I am met by a Glassfibre/Carbonfibre supercar powered by a 400 + BHP corvette engine priced at £80-300K.
When is somebody going to realise that there is a niche for a reasonably priced sportscar for enthusiasts.
When I bought my first TVR it was a Tasmin for £11K, which at the time was a similar price to a small BMW.Even Caterhams and Exiges can tip the scale at £40K+.
I appreciate that it is easier to build smaller numbers of cars and charge greater prices, but there is still a market for a sensibly priced proper sports car. TVR was always that car.
Edited by P7ULG on Monday 22 February 13:11
Papa Hotel said:
TVR Beaver said:
T89 Callan said:
Made in Germany?
I'm not usually bothered by were a car is made but a German built TVR just wouldn't be right.
+1... Made in England is all part of it... Made in Germany... You can keep it!!I'm not usually bothered by were a car is made but a German built TVR just wouldn't be right.
ds! Making TVRs in Germany? Why, that'll rob owners of the thrill of standing by the side of the road for hours on end with the bonnet up.Why does it matter where they're built? The biggest issue as far as I can see with Deutsch-built TVRs is that a right-hand-drive version would be unlikely. Which would be a pain in the arse, admittedly.
If I had 70K and a choice between a new US powered, German built TVR sag and an Aston I'd go for the Sag.
Either that or I am sure I could get myself 10 million fire flies for that kind of money.
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