RE: TVR To Return With US V8s
Discussion
thegamekeeper said:
Possibly the final nail in the TVR coffin reported today in Octane. Negotiations between the parent company of Gullwing and Mr Oxley have broken down. Oxley says that TVR will probably be made in UK. Bloody hell, that pig just missed my head.
It never seemed likely to have a happy ending: http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/news/octan...
thegamekeeper said:
Possibly the final nail in the TVR coffin reported today in Octane. Negotiations between the parent company of Gullwing and Mr Oxley have broken down. Oxley says that TVR will probably be made in UK. Bloody hell, that pig just missed my head.
Old news. See http://www.rv8r.co.uk/Making them in Germany would not be good marketing I suspect.
TVR have a bit of a specilist following in the USA.
A TVR made a huge impact in a BlockBuster Movie in the USA.
Being a British Sports Car perhaps means something in the USA.
If you going to want to sell the car outside the UK then the biggest market is the USA.
Fitting well known and reliable drivetrains from the USA will endear it to the USA.
Britain is best of allies of the USA and vice-versa.
Gran Tourismo has been played by millions of kids in the USA, ask them their fav car?
If you were thinking of selling to the USA, where would you make a TVR bearing in mind it's History?
Now if he does, I suspect that production inside the F1 Triangle could be a good move??
Or a shed in Blackpool?? Come on!
If he wants to make it down in the South of England, I'm a Mechanical Engineer and would love to work there!!
Well I could make the TEA!
TVR have a bit of a specilist following in the USA.
A TVR made a huge impact in a BlockBuster Movie in the USA.
Being a British Sports Car perhaps means something in the USA.
If you going to want to sell the car outside the UK then the biggest market is the USA.
Fitting well known and reliable drivetrains from the USA will endear it to the USA.
Britain is best of allies of the USA and vice-versa.
Gran Tourismo has been played by millions of kids in the USA, ask them their fav car?
If you were thinking of selling to the USA, where would you make a TVR bearing in mind it's History?
Now if he does, I suspect that production inside the F1 Triangle could be a good move??
Or a shed in Blackpool?? Come on!
If he wants to make it down in the South of England, I'm a Mechanical Engineer and would love to work there!!
Well I could make the TEA!
V8 GRF said:
mr shifty said:
expect there's some rule/regulation that you can't reuse the name of a company which went into administration/liquidation so "TVR MOTOR COMPANY LIMITED" isn't an option.
I know relatively little about such things so happy to stand corrected...
You're correct, unless you either want to be associated with a bankrupt company I know relatively little about such things so happy to stand corrected...
or (as I understand it) take on the outstanding liabilities of said company.According to the TVR Power website: "Tvr Power" and "Tvr" are registered trade mark of Tvr Motors Company Limited and are used under licence ®
cs174 said:
Isn't "TVR Motors Company Limited" now TVR Power?
According to the TVR Power website: "Tvr Power" and "Tvr" are registered trade mark of Tvr Motors Company Limited and are used under licence ®
No, that means Dom is using the trademarks TVR Power and TVR under license from Smallendski & oxley - I'd be surprised if this weren't a condition of sale back when he bought the TVR Power operation (which he has led for many years before IIRC) from them.According to the TVR Power website: "Tvr Power" and "Tvr" are registered trade mark of Tvr Motors Company Limited and are used under licence ®
If there is to be any form of announcement regarding UK based manufacture of TVR am I too wide of the mark in thinking there may be some sort of link with Ginetta who are having a Trader presence at Blackpool BNG2010? After all Ginetta have taken over Farbio (factory in Bristol area I believe) recently and Lawrence Tomlinson is a real enthusiast and a good businessman!
Daggsy said:
If there is to be any form of announcement regarding UK based manufacture of TVR am I too wide of the mark in thinking there may be some sort of link with Ginetta who are having a Trader presence at Blackpool BNG2010? After all Ginetta have taken over Farbio (factory in Bristol area I believe) recently and Lawrence Tomlinson is a real enthusiast and a good businessman!
I'd be surprised if Lawrence and Nick have spoken.The Farbio or F400 as it is now called will be running in the Sprint on Sunday if you want to see the car in action.
an embarrassment to the legacy of TVR.Number 7 said:
Taking these posts at face value, I'm intrigued as to why the TVRCC would wish to appear to be promoting Ginetta. OK, they are making cars and TVR is not, but is there any rationale over and above a presumably very modest financial one?
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I suppose the new V8-engined Ginetta is the closest thing to a TVR anyone makes right now. Perhaps they're persuading Ginetta to stick the TVR badge to its nose and keep the triangular orange 'G' for the small-engined/mid-engined stuff, establishing a kind of British independent low-budget Ferrari-Maserati equivalent.7.
I can see where they're coming from and I could actually see that working, but I have a feeling Ginetta will want to see themselves as the successors to, rather than the saviour of, their rival.
Number 7 said:
Taking these posts at face value, I'm intrigued as to why the TVRCC would wish to appear to be promoting Ginetta. OK, they are making cars and TVR is not, but is there any rationale over and above a presumably very modest financial one?
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Weren't there Morgans at Rockingham?7.
It would not be appropriate to ban Ginetta. Tomlinson was very supportive of the TVRCC when he was running the T400s in various GT series. He was a good friend to the Club. His hospitality to Club members at races was very open and unforced. Further, from the view of editor of the TVRCC I found his a real enthusiast and only too happy to spend time and money to help the magazine.
He wanted to buy TVR and it is the marque's tragedy that he didn't. It would be nice to think he might be in the frame now but I can't see it. That said, what a perfect adjuct to Ginetta, having TVR as the badge of the road cars and Ginetta for the track.
Tomlinson was, and hopefully still is, an enthusiast for TVR. Good luck to him at BNG. He might well get customers for his Ginettas there but they won't, unfortunately, take sales from TVR as his will be new.
Good luck to him. And I really appreciated the help and hospitality. Thanks.
Twincam16 said:
...I suppose the new V8-engined Ginetta is the closest thing to a TVR anyone makes right now. Perhaps they're persuading Ginetta to stick the TVR badge to its nose and keep the triangular orange 'G' for the small-engined/mid-engined stuff, establishing a kind of British independent low-budget Ferrari-Maserati equivalent.
I was there last night at the Ginetta factory and the only V8 car I saw was the LMP / Zytec !Ginetta are Ginetta and anywhere they go will be to promote.... Ginetta!
Derek Smith said:
Number 7 said:
Taking these posts at face value, I'm intrigued as to why the TVRCC would wish to appear to be promoting Ginetta. OK, they are making cars and TVR is not, but is there any rationale over and above a presumably very modest financial one?
7.
That said, what a perfect adjuct to Ginetta, having TVR as the badge of the road cars and Ginetta for the track.7.
Derek Smith said:
Number 7 said:
Taking these posts at face value, I'm intrigued as to why the TVRCC would wish to appear to be promoting Ginetta. OK, they are making cars and TVR is not, but is there any rationale over and above a presumably very modest financial one?
7.
Weren't there Morgans at Rockingham?7.
It would not be appropriate to ban Ginetta. Tomlinson was very supportive of the TVRCC when he was running the T400s in various GT series. He was a good friend to the Club. His hospitality to Club members at races was very open and unforced. Further, from the view of editor of the TVRCC I found his a real enthusiast and only too happy to spend time and money to help the magazine.
He wanted to buy TVR and it is the marque's tragedy that he didn't. It would be nice to think he might be in the frame now but I can't see it. That said, what a perfect adjuct to Ginetta, having TVR as the badge of the road cars and Ginetta for the track.
Tomlinson was, and hopefully still is, an enthusiast for TVR. Good luck to him at BNG. He might well get customers for his Ginettas there but they won't, unfortunately, take sales from TVR as his will be new.
Good luck to him. And I really appreciated the help and hospitality. Thanks.
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm really pleased that Ginetta is still a viable car manufacturer, and I wish them every success, but is not the purpose of the TVRCC to promote membership thereof and the marque?
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Number 7 said:
...the purpose of the TVRCC ...
IMHO the TVRCC should not do anything negative toward TVR and imho again this is not the case here 
If BMW had been invited to erect a big stand or some fwd tin can maker (with a slogan of "dispose of your (insert insults here) old sports car"), then it'd be a different matter and the commitee should have comments known to them in the shape of huge quantities of rotten fruit and vegetables !! But this isn't happening and won't happen.
Number 7 said:
I'm sure what you say about LNT is true, but it looks like he's moved on from racing TVR's / wanting to buy the company to a new project. I would struggle to believe that, even with state of communications between the TVRCC and TVR, that were TVR still a manufacturer, this promotion of another marque would be happening. I wonder whether those businesses still involved with the TVR marque (ex-franchised dealers, indie service specialists, parts suppliers etc.) would consider this promotion to be beneficial or detrimental to their businesses?
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm really pleased that Ginetta is still a viable car manufacturer, and I wish them every success, but is not the purpose of the TVRCC to promote membership thereof and the marque?
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I don't see anything wrong with Ginetta paying money to the TVRCC and that is, in essence, what thay are doing. They are not in competition with TVR.Please don't misunderstand me, I'm really pleased that Ginetta is still a viable car manufacturer, and I wish them every success, but is not the purpose of the TVRCC to promote membership thereof and the marque?
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Tomlinson carried the TVRCC logo on their rear wings when racing and I was told they received no payment.
Seems a bit harsh to refuse them permission to pay us money to come to the BNG.
In his T400R days Tomlinson owned a Ginetta G4 as well as a T440. Come to that, I had a G32 and a Chim.
Derek Smith said:
I don't see anything wrong with Ginetta paying money to the TVRCC and that is, in essence, what thay are doing. They are not in competition with TVR.
Must be just me then. I guess everything has its price, but this just doesn't seem quite right to me. I will continue to be a TVR enthusiast.7.
Derek Smith said:
Tomlinson was, and hopefully still is, an enthusiast for TVR. Good luck to him at BNG. He might well get customers for his Ginettas there but they won't, unfortunately, take sales from TVR as his will be new.
As I said earlier, I wish Ginetta every success. However, having just looked at their website, it would appear that the Walklett brothers (who created the company and ran it for 30 years) have been completely written out of the history of company, as has Martin Phaff. There is no mention of them at all, which I do find rather strange. I suppose egos are involved
Not that there is much of a current TVR website, but I wonder if the previous owners of TVR were similarly expunged?
7.
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