RE: TVR Confirms 'Vette Power For New Roadster

[Milky400]

some cracking pics, looked a fun place to work

[DonkeyApple]

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

[TVRMARKUB]

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

[TVRMARKUB]

fatbutt said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

Errrrr, from the original article: "Your speculation is as good as ours, but we do know that the US is a key market for the new TVR business plan."

Yeah it also says

"Also in the TVR business plan (stop reading here, Blackpool purists...) is a hybrid version of the new roadster. And everyone wants one of those these days, don't they?

Either way, we're still expecting the new TVR to make its public debut at the Goodwood Moving Motor show in July,"




Yankee fking Do

[GTRene]

can't someone e-mail mister Smollensky (or how his name is?)
to ask what is he doing...and is he still busy with TVR or is he in jail or something like that

[DonkeyApple]

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

Niaive.

[TVRMARKUB]

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

Niaive.

so that's how they spell it in the US

[fatbutt]

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

Riiiight, so that's why TVR was in the picture of health in the 2000's with Wheeler still at the helm. Don't get me wrong, I thought Wheeler was great but seriously, he was not 'astute' in a business sense.

The US has 300+ million people and a huge proportion of drivers. Credit is also a lot easier to come by so its a lot more likely that you will sell more prestige cars. The volume you can sell in the US per annum dwarfs what you can do in the UK, it would be silly to ignore such a market.

[JR]

fatbutt said:

it would be silly to ignore such a market.

What happened last time TVR were there?

[900T-R]

fatbutt said:

The US has 300+ million people and a huge proportion of drivers. Credit is also a lot easier to come by so its a lot more likely that you will sell more prestige cars. The volume you can sell in the US per annum dwarfs what you can do in the UK, it would be silly to ignore such a market.

The US also has the highest poulation of trial lawyers, and the worst driver education program in the developed world. Not an ideal scenario if you're Toyota, lethal if you're selling a car that implicitly puts the driver in a position of 100% responsibility for the safety of proceedings and may throw in a quirk or two in addition.

Edited by 900T-R on Thursday 23 September 14:18

[DonkeyApple]

JR said:

fatbutt said:

it would be silly to ignore such a market.

What happened last time TVR were there?

TVR fked up like most British firms spearheaded by a jingoistic knowall trying to launch in the US.

To sell in the US properly would require experience and ability in that market.

The first step is that you would not import cars. You would have to have a factory model that can be replicated overseas. You would need to locate the new factory in geographically the right location and employ the right people and market it the right way.

In extremely crude terms what you would have to do with TVR is replicate the product and ethos. I.e. reckoginse that the Brits who buy them buy them not for build quality or kudos but because they are fast, good looking and above all British.

So, you would build them under license in the US and fit a US engine so that the cars sold there would have been built by 'Good Ol Boys'. You would also market them by paying money to run one round the Indy 500 and other suitable events.

You need to make the car American, so American buyers feel that they are buying their own product but with stylish British connection.

When things fall off a Corvette the loyal owners just like with TVR accept this as one of those things, but if they could blame it on a foreigner they will, just like we Brits love to blame Indian engineering and a Russian owner rather than look closer to home.

If this had been done at the time of TVR being of interest in Hollywood then the story could be very different.

To us we probably would not have considered them tru TVRs but it would have allowed TVR to break the US and obtain incredible potential revenues.

[fatbutt]

DonkeyApple said:

JR said:

fatbutt said:

it would be silly to ignore such a market.

What happened last time TVR were there?

TVR fked up like most British firms spearheaded by a jingoistic knowall trying to launch in the US.

To sell in the US properly would require experience and ability in that market.

The first step is that you would not import cars. You would have to have a factory model that can be replicated overseas. You would need to locate the new factory in geographically the right location and employ the right people and market it the right way.

In extremely crude terms what you would have to do with TVR is replicate the product and ethos. I.e. reckoginse that the Brits who buy them buy them not for build quality or kudos but because they are fast, good looking and above all British.

So, you would build them under license in the US and fit a US engine so that the cars sold there would have been built by 'Good Ol Boys'. You would also market them by paying money to run one round the Indy 500 and other suitable events.

You need to make the car American, so American buyers feel that they are buying their own product but with stylish British connection.

When things fall off a Corvette the loyal owners just like with TVR accept this as one of those things, but if they could blame it on a foreigner they will, just like we Brits love to blame Indian engineering and a Russian owner rather than look closer to home.

If this had been done at the time of TVR being of interest in Hollywood then the story could be very different.

To us we probably would not have considered them tru TVRs but it would have allowed TVR to break the US and obtain incredible potential revenues.

Well said! Look at Lotus - they are not doing well here at all, even with a car aimed at this market (Evora). They're seen as fragile Brit cars that don't suit the environment. Yet, Hennessay (just up the road from where I am) sticks a V8 in an Elise and suddenly he can sell them for $1M. The Lee N/ Roisson story is a good template to follow.

[TVRMARKUB]

fatbutt said:

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

Riiiight, so that's why TVR was in the picture of health in the 2000's with Wheeler still at the helm. Don't get me wrong, I thought Wheeler was great but seriously, he was not 'astute' in a business sense.

He was astute enough to get the better of NS and to leave TVR with a large amount of cash in his pocket, PW not astute, what planet are you on

[Milky400]

[TVRMARKUB]

DonkeyApple said:

JR said:

fatbutt said:

it would be silly to ignore such a market.

What happened last time TVR were there?

You need to make the car American,

fk me,

I rest my case, you're not it sales are you Donk

Like PW said "it saves having to employ marketing men to bullst the public"

[JR]

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

Riiiight, so that's why TVR was in the picture of health in the 2000's with Wheeler still at the helm. Don't get me wrong, I thought Wheeler was great but seriously, he was not 'astute' in a business sense.

He was astute enough to get the better of NS and to leave TVR with a large amount of cash in his pocket, PW not astute, what planet are you on

So just because he kept the company going for a quarter of a century, made some money, sold it at a good price and produced the best cars that TVR has ever known you think that he might be astute?

[TVRMARKUB]

JR said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

fatbutt said:

If TVR really want to make it in the USA then they have a lot of PR to do:

http://jalopnik.com/5637720/the-story-of-tvr-as-it...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Jalopnik, its kinda the the US version of PH

Who gives a toss about the US,

That's an odd view.

Still the wealthiest market on the planet and the most car mad so I would hazard anyone with basic common sense would have to very seriously not just consider by try and focus on it as a market place.

PW was far more astute than NS, Look at TVR in the 90s he knew his market and he did very well, selling cars in the US would involve sailing through a sea of bullst which would end up killing TVR as the cars we have all come to love.

Riiiight, so that's why TVR was in the picture of health in the 2000's with Wheeler still at the helm. Don't get me wrong, I thought Wheeler was great but seriously, he was not 'astute' in a business sense.

He was astute enough to get the better of NS and to leave TVR with a large amount of cash in his pocket, PW not astute, what planet are you on

So just because he kept the company going for a quarter of a century, made some money, sold it at a good price and produced the best cars that TVR has ever known you think that he might be astute?

but he didn't sell cars in the US of A so he can't be,

[DonkeyApple]

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

JR said:

fatbutt said:

it would be silly to ignore such a market.

What happened last time TVR were there?

You need to make the car American,

fk me,

I rest my case, you're not it sales are you Donk

Like PW said "it saves having to employ marketing men to bullst the public"

I sell British goods to Americans. And rather well. This is how I know what needs to be done.

As for PW being astute to sell for a few million. It was worth a few hundred million some years earlier. He sold because it was dead and he grabbed whatever was left from the table and ran. NS was a mug with due diligence but then there are strong rumours that the data he was given had been seriously manipulated.

What NS did after purchase to redress the problems were very good and sensible descisions, he just didn't have the money and was dealing with a stubborn Northern workforce that needed culling and whipping back into line, although it's easier to shut up shop and re-open elsewhere.

[Derek Smith]

DonkeyApple said:

As for PW being astute to sell for a few million. It was worth a few hundred million some years earlier. He sold because it was dead and he grabbed whatever was left from the table and ran. NS was a mug with due diligence but then there are strong rumours that the data he was given had been seriously manipulated.

What NS did after purchase to redress the problems were very good and sensible descisions, he just didn't have the money and was dealing with a stubborn Northern workforce that needed culling and whipping back into line, although it's easier to shut up shop and re-open elsewhere.

There wre two TVRs? And two Peter Wheelers? And two lots of workforce?

Wow! Strange how no one noticed that before.

Do you think that the consortium that wanted to buy A TVR company despite having inside knowledge of the finances and the situation also went for the wrong one?

The person who bought TVR when it was down and out was Wheeler himself. He built it up.

[TVRMARKUB]

DonkeyApple said:

TVRMARKUB said:

DonkeyApple said:

JR said:

fatbutt said:

it would be silly to ignore such a market.

What happened last time TVR were there?

You need to make the car American,

fk me,

I rest my case, you're not it sales are you Donk

Like PW said "it saves having to employ marketing men to bullst the public"

I sell British goods to Americans. And rather well. This is how I know what needs to be done.

As for PW being astute to sell for a few million. It was worth a few hundred million some years earlier. He sold because it was dead and he grabbed whatever was left from the table and ran. NS was a mug with due diligence but then there are strong rumours that the data he was given had been seriously manipulated.

What NS did after purchase to redress the problems were very good and sensible descisions, he just didn't have the money and was dealing with a stubborn Northern workforce that needed culling and whipping back into line, although it's easier to shut up shop and re-open elsewhere.

Donk,

I nearly always enjoy your posts and some have me but the above is just a load of bks apart from the NS was a mug statement.

What the lad(NS) had was no business sense, no idea what his market was, and then he encircled himself with yes men who were out just for themselves.