RE: TVR Confirms 'Vette Power For New Roadster
Discussion
[quote=lockhart flawse]As a TVR owner I have no interest in this car whatever. The only thing that is TVR about it is the badge - the rest of it might as well be Chinese and it has no soul. It's a generic sportscar and even with the TVR badge it will be lacking in the heritage that most people who are about to spend £60k will be looking for. It's not going to be build here, it has an American engine, and so for me it might as well be a Geely.
Surely your Chimaera has an ex Buick (American)engine ?
Surely your Chimaera has an ex Buick (American)engine ?
lockhart flawse said:
...It's a generic sportscar and even with the TVR badge it will be lacking in the heritage that most people who are about to spend £60k will be looking for. It's not going to be build here, it has an American engine, and so for me it might as well be a Geely.
L.F.
Looking at the Cobra rep site with the engine options of LS3 and LS9 (what a surprise), I'd guess that all that is required would be different bodies to sit on the Cobra chassis/drivetrain and instant "TVR" ... L.F.
You just dont get it do you...johnhenry said:
blindswelledrat said:
IM suprised at the early cheers for this.
It strikes me that it the details of that are correct- a Russian has bought our darling british sports car brand, removed anything whatsoever British about it, moved production overseas and is redesigning things for America.
It will now be a low volume foreign car manufacturer like any other.
SUre it will still be good, and all that, just now irrelevant.
very well said. It strikes me that it the details of that are correct- a Russian has bought our darling british sports car brand, removed anything whatsoever British about it, moved production overseas and is redesigning things for America.
It will now be a low volume foreign car manufacturer like any other.
SUre it will still be good, and all that, just now irrelevant.
Obviously Samilesky doesn’t care for british, tradition, heritage or philosophy, so why doesn’t he just make a new brand and make what ever he want.? What’s the point for still keep the TVR brand?
burnet01 said:
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Russian owner, American engine and manufacture in Germany. Call me naïve, but I still think a badge means something, isn’t something you can stick on anything.
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Really strange comment.Russian owner, American engine and manufacture in Germany. Call me naïve, but I still think a badge means something, isn’t something you can stick on anything.
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I agree that a badge means something which is exactly why this is so f
ked up.Everything that the TVR badge means has been systematically taken from the equation and replaced by something particularly un TVR
It's the Same as taking a Ferrari badge and putting it onto a Mitsubishi Evo. You aren't kidding anyone.
alock said:
chumleyuk said:
Absolute minimum price will be £60k IMHO
I'd love to see a 400bhp version at ~£40k with the cheaper version of the engine from the VXR8.Or a 300bhp one for £30k.
I really think TVR need to focus on building sales of more basic machines, getting some customer confidenmce back before going after the big boys (and big budgets).
Jag-D said:
Stu R said:
Sounds positive, but I'll keep the champagne firmly corked. Call me a cynic, but the NS and TVR saga has left me with pretty much the same feelings pipeline cards and 'boycott esso and BP' campaigns.
With you 100% there fellaThe amount of bulls
t that boy has spewed out is the cause behind the recently lovely weather we've been having all on its own!Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 28th April 12:54
Lefty 200 Drams said:
alock said:
chumleyuk said:
Absolute minimum price will be £60k IMHO
I'd love to see a 400bhp version at ~£40k with the cheaper version of the engine from the VXR8.Or a 300bhp one for £30k.
I really think TVR need to focus on building sales of more basic machines, getting some customer confidenmce back before going after the big boys (and big budgets).
I like all of you have kept my eye on the pheonix TVR car company. Right now i don't really care where it gets built, who owns it how it gets made - all i know is we, as owners and enthusiasts, need to have a car to get get excited about. Nobody cares that Lamboughini is german! It will be great if that happens at Goodwood but i'm not betting money on it.
To re-introduce any kind of supply chain in the UK you need to sell a reasonable volume and i think that means a car selling at £30-40k. If it is going to continue the bloodline it should have more power than its rivals in that price range and givent he LS option 400hp would seem an appropriate target.
I think launching a 600hp flagship (i'm guessing but £100,000+ i suspect) is going to result in next to no sales here or in the US. If you want to go crazy HP there are loads of cheap options in the US.
To re-introduce any kind of supply chain in the UK you need to sell a reasonable volume and i think that means a car selling at £30-40k. If it is going to continue the bloodline it should have more power than its rivals in that price range and givent he LS option 400hp would seem an appropriate target.
I think launching a 600hp flagship (i'm guessing but £100,000+ i suspect) is going to result in next to no sales here or in the US. If you want to go crazy HP there are loads of cheap options in the US.
If TVR had stayed with the approach of using crate motors then they would probably have never gone under in the first place.
The decision to make and use their own engines was the daftest idea TVR ever had. It just introduced unreliability and extra cost both to them and to the customer in terms of specialised development and parts manufacture and replacement.
If we turn the clock back and imagine a range of light weight good looking TVR sports cars with muscular power from the ever popular, tunable and enduring Chevy V8, are you telling me that they wouldn't have been extremely popular?
I'd imagine many potential buyers were put off TVR ownership by their reputation for unreliability. A proven engine with lots of power and low running costs in terms of maintenance and parts would have left TVR struggling to meet demand.
I'll also add that in my opinion the later TVRs started to look a bit silly and fussy. Offering something more akin to clean and classic sports car styling wouldn't have hurt sales either.
You can argue that bespoke engines and wacky styling was what TVR was all about, but I don’t buy that and it certainly wasn’t always the case early on. In the end people just weren't interested in sufficient numbers in what was on offer.
I’m certain that the average Patriotic British bloke with a hankering for a brawny sports car would always consider a British built example if he could. Especially if it offered tried and tested engineering and classic British styling...all under the revered TVR badge.
If Smolensky was ever actually interested in saving the company then all he had to do was introduce models with those two changes (engine/drivetrain and styling) and he'd have been on to a winner. I reckon it really was that simple.
Edited to say...it's too late to fix things now without a UK base. Since TVR left these shores it no longer exists and will never truly exist until it is again based in the UK. Only then will its heritage mean anything and only then will it again be seen as a product of British engineering ingenuity and tradition (putting the likes of British Leyland aside for a moment of course
).
The decision to make and use their own engines was the daftest idea TVR ever had. It just introduced unreliability and extra cost both to them and to the customer in terms of specialised development and parts manufacture and replacement.
If we turn the clock back and imagine a range of light weight good looking TVR sports cars with muscular power from the ever popular, tunable and enduring Chevy V8, are you telling me that they wouldn't have been extremely popular?
I'd imagine many potential buyers were put off TVR ownership by their reputation for unreliability. A proven engine with lots of power and low running costs in terms of maintenance and parts would have left TVR struggling to meet demand.
I'll also add that in my opinion the later TVRs started to look a bit silly and fussy. Offering something more akin to clean and classic sports car styling wouldn't have hurt sales either.
You can argue that bespoke engines and wacky styling was what TVR was all about, but I don’t buy that and it certainly wasn’t always the case early on. In the end people just weren't interested in sufficient numbers in what was on offer.
I’m certain that the average Patriotic British bloke with a hankering for a brawny sports car would always consider a British built example if he could. Especially if it offered tried and tested engineering and classic British styling...all under the revered TVR badge.
If Smolensky was ever actually interested in saving the company then all he had to do was introduce models with those two changes (engine/drivetrain and styling) and he'd have been on to a winner. I reckon it really was that simple.
Edited to say...it's too late to fix things now without a UK base. Since TVR left these shores it no longer exists and will never truly exist until it is again based in the UK. Only then will its heritage mean anything and only then will it again be seen as a product of British engineering ingenuity and tradition (putting the likes of British Leyland aside for a moment of course
). Edited by davidf4 on Wednesday 28th April 13:52
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