RE: TVR Confirms 'Vette Power For New Roadster
Discussion
RJDM3 said:
30-40 grand tvr dont exist and have not for a LONG time, they will never return again ever.
Why all these numbskulls keep going on about a 30-40k price tag I don't know as it's simply not economically viable. TVR's were only ever that price in the 90's and they were too cheap then which is why the company failed.£40-45k is a realistic base price point for the lowliest version (depending what spec that is?) which puts it in line with midrange Boxsters/Caymans, yet will offer way much more in terms of performance, styling and exclusivity. This is what TVR's values are and what they need to build on.
Never shy on power and cubic inches are they the old TVR. Sticking that LS9 engine in a TVR is proper out of the box thinking... its going to be bloody mental!
I can't help but think if they get the build qualitiy right the American market will soak them up! I hope this is a good plan for TVR i miss them in the market and i have never bloody owned one!
LS9 S/C engine ehe!?.... well well well
I can't help but think if they get the build qualitiy right the American market will soak them up! I hope this is a good plan for TVR i miss them in the market and i have never bloody owned one!
LS9 S/C engine ehe!?.... well well well
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
The Idea isnt new with the Corvette V8.
I say Marcos TSO,but Marcos hasnt enough money
to make it successfull.
And Gullwingcars is a very small Kit Car company
(And small is really small).
I think the Guys havent not the Capacities to produce Cars
to make money.
Sounds not very realistic the "Plan" from the russian owner.
TVR is history believe it or not.
Thats a Fact.
Better Idea-produce the Car @Autofutura South Africa (The Noble M12,Superperformance,Perana Z Guys)
as rolling chassis and finish the rest in Uk for a acceptable Price.
Germany is too expensive to make money with it.
And Tvr isnt Wiesmann or Porsche.
Question:Was Mellings Wildcat a financial Success?
I think not...
I say Marcos TSO,but Marcos hasnt enough money
to make it successfull.
And Gullwingcars is a very small Kit Car company
(And small is really small).
I think the Guys havent not the Capacities to produce Cars
to make money.
Sounds not very realistic the "Plan" from the russian owner.
TVR is history believe it or not.
Thats a Fact.
Better Idea-produce the Car @Autofutura South Africa (The Noble M12,Superperformance,Perana Z Guys)
as rolling chassis and finish the rest in Uk for a acceptable Price.
Germany is too expensive to make money with it.
And Tvr isnt Wiesmann or Porsche.
Question:Was Mellings Wildcat a financial Success?
I think not...
Edited by flashygee on Wednesday 28th April 16:23
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
1. It's not a glorified kit car. 2. It looks better than a vette. 3. It will be faster than a vette. 4. It will be far less common than a vette.Sure, a lot (most) will take your stance, but TVR doesn't need all that many people to take my stance to be successful.
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
Here in Naptown we have a city built on fast cars and obsessed with all things motoring and motor sport related. (TVR name recognition is close to zero). The streets are full of Vettes, Camaros, Challengers and quite a few Porsches and other exotica. When I talk to friends of mine about spending $100k on a plastic car fitted with an engine from a (reliable) car half the price and built by a company whose only recent history is of failure and appalling customer service the only reaction I get is
.But it doesn't matter because it won't happen.
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
Exclusivity! Smollenski in Autocar said:
....a new car “shouldn’t cost any more” than the European price of an equivalent Corvette.
A basic Corvette Z06 costs £60k. So there we have it. A new Vette engined TVR will cost from £60k which is where the Sagaris left off.Edited by dvs_dave on Wednesday 28th April 16:43
Hi Dar, how are you? All well and good I hope 
I loved my Griff and Sag. The day I picked the Sag up will remain one of the proudest and most memorable in my life. TVR wasnt about making hairy arsed cars for me, it was my *home* making something that was famous worldwide and demanded respect from every other motor out there. It wasnt just knocked up by blokes in a shed, it was knocked up by blokes I knew, in a shed that was round the corner from my football club. There is a whole load of sentimental value locked up in that that probably is irrelevent to most other folks or doesnt make sense to everybody else, but to me...it means damn near the world. I have a massive amount of pride in my town, but 95% of the talk about the place is taking the piss. TVR represented us on the big stage though and in the Sagaris produced a motor that for pure all round ability could go toe to toe with any other damn thing out there and only just come up short against the then daddy of the lot the 996tt. So Im amazingly and stupidly proud that as a local boy in difficult times for the company I put my hand in my pocket and handed over my cash to buy the Sag. It was and remains an amazing feeling and memory for me. Its a Maranello boy being able to buy his ferrari straight from the factory. Its shearer returning back to the toon and slotting his first goal for them. Its absolutely ridiculous and I cannot logically defend all that crap but its hardwired and stamped into my DNA.
Nic f
king Smolenski and his various ...endeavours...are just continued kicks. Hes taken something from the soul of my town and now he flaunts it around the world like a cheap tart on soovys lap. For that I will never forgive him.
I loved my Griff and Sag. The day I picked the Sag up will remain one of the proudest and most memorable in my life. TVR wasnt about making hairy arsed cars for me, it was my *home* making something that was famous worldwide and demanded respect from every other motor out there. It wasnt just knocked up by blokes in a shed, it was knocked up by blokes I knew, in a shed that was round the corner from my football club. There is a whole load of sentimental value locked up in that that probably is irrelevent to most other folks or doesnt make sense to everybody else, but to me...it means damn near the world. I have a massive amount of pride in my town, but 95% of the talk about the place is taking the piss. TVR represented us on the big stage though and in the Sagaris produced a motor that for pure all round ability could go toe to toe with any other damn thing out there and only just come up short against the then daddy of the lot the 996tt. So Im amazingly and stupidly proud that as a local boy in difficult times for the company I put my hand in my pocket and handed over my cash to buy the Sag. It was and remains an amazing feeling and memory for me. Its a Maranello boy being able to buy his ferrari straight from the factory. Its shearer returning back to the toon and slotting his first goal for them. Its absolutely ridiculous and I cannot logically defend all that crap but its hardwired and stamped into my DNA.
Nic f
king Smolenski and his various ...endeavours...are just continued kicks. Hes taken something from the soul of my town and now he flaunts it around the world like a cheap tart on soovys lap. For that I will never forgive him.
Blown2CV said:
Ford and Rover engines used in TVR up until the sp6/AJP era are of american import or at least american descent. Did Jack Griffith not whack a big american engine into a Grantura in the 60s thus not effectively giving birth to the latter-day TVR of big engines and light bodies?
And in the 70s, John Wadman of Toronto who was the Canadian Importer of TVRs did a V8 conversion on some of the cars that he imported. We have 2 of the Taimars that John created and they are licenced for the Canadian market as 5000Ms. What was that green car that Peter Wheeler built to race.....Yes it was a 5000M and it still is a TVR. Our two V8s were finished in Canada and they both are as much TVRs as our 1973 supercharged 2500M that was built in the UK for the North America market. Last summer I had the pleasure of taking my 1978 V8 Taimar to Toronto and letting John drive it and I will always remember the look on his face driving one of his creations 32 years after the fact with a 347 stroker engine and some other improvements. Most people don't know the things that John did for TVR as he is not one to stroke his own ego but our family is thankful for everything that John and Doug of TVR North America did to help TVR Engineering market their cars (complete with TVR badges)on this side of the pond. It doesn't really matter where TVRs are built it is all about TreVoRs dream of the common person being able to own, enjoy and drive a true sportscar that was created in the UK.
unrepentant said:
Here in Naptown we have a city built on fast cars and obsessed with all things motoring and motor sport related. (TVR name recognition is close to zero).
Please tell me you can see the irony in your post? (hint: fast cars and obsessed with all things motoring, TVR name recognition is close to zero)If obsession means with US brands and mass produced sports cars from multinationals owned by VW then I'll concede your point.
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
and your all suckers for anything English. Not a bad thing if i am honest.To throw a little more light on the German / AC link which if the rumour of tie-in with Smolenski comes true would sense.
Firstly Gullwing are no longer building replicas of the classic M-B 300SL and are concentrating all their efforts in AC MkVI (aka Cobra) and are AC Cars Germany
At the Goodwood FS they will be showing a right drive MkVI.
The AC MkVI shown at Geneva last March was different to the MkVI car shown to motoring press in the summer of last year.
In earlier threads today reference was made to Alan Lubunsky of AC Cars and the Malta connection please treat this as history. Much as moved on from those reports and they are out of date.
Here are some key facts on the German company and the MkVI:
• AC Cars Germany based in Heyda, Germany is owned by the Mohr family. Mr A Lubinsky is not a shareholder. The Mohr family made their money in the manufacturing of car components, a business which it has now sold. To date some €3 million has been invested in the AC car programme.
• Mr Lubinsky has licensed AC Cars Germany; the details of licensing agreement are of course confidential.
• In-house moulded body.
• In-house built chassis with push rod suspension and adjustable anti roll bar.
• V8, 6.2 litre engine, differential, 6-speed gearbox and brakes are from GM. The idea is to make parts more accessible.
• Price €84,000 / £74,000 + VAT. No plans to sell in USA.
• Dealer network already in place in France, Switzerland and Luxemburg. UK dealer announcement within 3 months.
I have meet and spend time with Jürgen Mohr, the CEO of AC Cars Germany and the above points are taken from that conversation.
Rather than making all these wild cat suggestions why not pick-up the phone and talk to people in know, or even wait a couple of months and go to Goodwood and ask face-to-face.
So you can see that such a tie-in makes commerical sense.
As an AC owner, and ex TVR owner, sure I would love the car to be made in the UK, but I'm more than happy the name will continue. There is still alot of UK involvement as well.
Terry
Firstly Gullwing are no longer building replicas of the classic M-B 300SL and are concentrating all their efforts in AC MkVI (aka Cobra) and are AC Cars Germany
At the Goodwood FS they will be showing a right drive MkVI.
The AC MkVI shown at Geneva last March was different to the MkVI car shown to motoring press in the summer of last year.
In earlier threads today reference was made to Alan Lubunsky of AC Cars and the Malta connection please treat this as history. Much as moved on from those reports and they are out of date.
Here are some key facts on the German company and the MkVI:
• AC Cars Germany based in Heyda, Germany is owned by the Mohr family. Mr A Lubinsky is not a shareholder. The Mohr family made their money in the manufacturing of car components, a business which it has now sold. To date some €3 million has been invested in the AC car programme.
• Mr Lubinsky has licensed AC Cars Germany; the details of licensing agreement are of course confidential.
• In-house moulded body.
• In-house built chassis with push rod suspension and adjustable anti roll bar.
• V8, 6.2 litre engine, differential, 6-speed gearbox and brakes are from GM. The idea is to make parts more accessible.
• Price €84,000 / £74,000 + VAT. No plans to sell in USA.
• Dealer network already in place in France, Switzerland and Luxemburg. UK dealer announcement within 3 months.
I have meet and spend time with Jürgen Mohr, the CEO of AC Cars Germany and the above points are taken from that conversation.
Rather than making all these wild cat suggestions why not pick-up the phone and talk to people in know, or even wait a couple of months and go to Goodwood and ask face-to-face.
So you can see that such a tie-in makes commerical sense.
As an AC owner, and ex TVR owner, sure I would love the car to be made in the UK, but I'm more than happy the name will continue. There is still alot of UK involvement as well.
Terry
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