RE: Racing Team Creates 7.0-litre V8 TVR Sagaris

[YRRunner]

verminator said:

If you tear the heart out of a car and put a foreign engine in it's place sadly it's no longer a TVR and one less to be kept for the future. Shame.

I vehemently disagree. Outsourced crate engine is where TVR would have gone, had they continued to build cars. Given that particular case scenario, are you saying you would have never considered buying a TVR at that point?

[Stig]

YRRunner said:

verminator said:

If you tear the heart out of a car and put a foreign engine in it's place sadly it's no longer a TVR and one less to be kept for the future. Shame.

I vehemently disagree. Outsourced crate engine is where TVR would have gone, had they continued to build cars. Given that particular case scenario, are you saying you would have never considered buying a TVR at that point?

Absolutely. If TVR had used GM crate engines since the Griff, they would still be alive and kicking IMHO.

[blackiepaul]

Thank you the two of you. I get a bit fed up of peaple saying that - if they knew me and the thought process I went through with the car, had read this thread or the many on it or the mag articles they may feel different.

[DonkeyApple]

Stig said:

YRRunner said:

verminator said:

If you tear the heart out of a car and put a foreign engine in it's place sadly it's no longer a TVR and one less to be kept for the future. Shame.

I vehemently disagree. Outsourced crate engine is where TVR would have gone, had they continued to build cars. Given that particular case scenario, are you saying you would have never considered buying a TVR at that point?

Absolutely. If TVR had used GM crate engines since the Griff, they would still be alive and kicking IMHO.

Until mid 2008 when the credit market dried up. Seeing as the vast majority of purchases were debt financed the crunch would have ended TVR regardless. Too many structural overheads to downsize quick enough to handle the overnight change.

So, if they had gone crate or if they had not had the problems with the S6, then Gordon Brown would have eventually killed it.

If the S6 was still a big problem then I would have more support for the LS conversion route but I am a bit of a purist and think a car should stay as it was intended and seeing as s6s are now delivering then I'm in favour on keeping them in the cars.

Sticking an LS in is just uber Barrying

[grahamw48]

blackiepaul said:

Thank you the two of you. I get a bit fed up of peaple saying that - if they knew me and the thought process I went through with the car, had read this thread or the many on it or the mag articles they may feel different.

It's your car, and buggerall to do with anyone else what you do with it.

We'll be needing 'planning permission' next.

[mrzigazaga]

The reason i fell in love with TVRs is the fact that they look stunning and sound like complete animals..Kick it essay..ziga

[Gazzab]

grahamw48 said:

blackiepaul said:

Thank you the two of you. I get a bit fed up of peaple saying that - if they knew me and the thought process I went through with the car, had read this thread or the many on it or the mag articles they may feel different.

It's your car, and buggerall to do with anyone else what you do with it.

We'll be needing 'planning permission' next.

I agree. Keep it to yourself and don't attract attention and ignore them.

[farmeryellow]

verminator said:

If you tear the heart out of a car and put a foreign engine in it's place sadly it's no longer a TVR and one less to be kept for the future. Shame.

Like the Rover v8 and the Ford v6 then?

Big Paul
Topcats Racing.

[Podie]

verminator said:

If you tear the heart out of a car and put a foreign engine in it's place sadly it's no longer a TVR and one less to be kept for the future. Shame.

Behave.

Just think, if Jack Griffith hadn't done that with a Grantura, or if Carol Shelby had left that crappy engine in the AC Ace...

[DonkeyApple]

farmeryellow said:

verminator said:

If you tear the heart out of a car and put a foreign engine in it's place sadly it's no longer a TVR and one less to be kept for the future. Shame.

Like the Rover v8 and the Ford v6 then?

Big Paul
Topcats Racing.

I guess my Overfinch is not a Range Rover then. I shall take the badges off and inform the DVLA.

[TVR_owner]

This swapping engine units is not my thing as I have discussed before on here, but to take some earlier points.

Jack Griffith. 289 into Grantura was called something else when it was finished, same Land/Range Rover, same ACE Ace. Pedant mode off.

Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 10th December 12:38

[Podie]

TVR_owner said:

This swapping engine units is not my thing as I have discussed before on here, but to take some earlier points.

Jack Griffith. 289 into Grantura was called something else when it was finished, same Land/Range Rover, same ACE Ace. Pedant mode off.

Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 10th December 12:38

If you're going to be pedantic, at least give me the courtesy of constructing sentences in English so I can understand what you're on about.

[TVR_owner]

Apologies Podie. What part, or parts, of the clear statements are beyond your level of understanding?

I thought I had a reasonable grasp of English - and the subject matter, maybe I'm mistaken?

Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 10th December 13:24

[scotty1]

blackiepaul said:

annu said:

Thought PH were going to drive this, unless there are two?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2303634.htm

Please do not think the car in the ad is the car detailed on this thread!

Yes they were meant to drive it but could not arrange it due to diarys over the back end of this year. We will arrange it for next year when the salt is gone. EVO have driven it though and a Video etc will go up at some point.

Topic went a bit off track, just to see if anyone knows the answer to the original qs does that mean there are 2 LS7s ?

Edited by scotty1 on Friday 10th December 13:42

[blackiepaul]

Yes there are two - the one in this topic which is mine and the Topcats Racing Car and then there is one that is for sale at the moment which in my eyes is not a great conversion.

scotty1 said:

blackiepaul said:

annu said:

Thought PH were going to drive this, unless there are two?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2303634.htm

Please do not think the car in the ad is the car detailed on this thread!

Yes they were meant to drive it but could not arrange it due to diarys over the back end of this year. We will arrange it for next year when the salt is gone. EVO have driven it though and a Video etc will go up at some point.

Topic went a bit off track, just to see if anyone knows the answer to the original qs does that mean there are 2 LS7s ?

Edited by scotty1 on Friday 10th December 13:42

[scotty1]

Ok I see, so the one for sale is not a Top cats conversion like yours..

[blackiepaul]

scotty1 said:

Ok I see, so the one for sale is not a Top cats conversion like yours..

Nope look at the pic in my profile and look at the pic in the add and you will see how big a difference there is.

[verminator]

I most definitely would have bought a TVR with an LS engine in it IF the car had come out of the factory like it as with chims and other Tivs that left the factory as TVR had intended. In years to come the collectors will be searching for good ORIGINAL cars made by TVR not some engineering specialist no matter how well installed the engine is. Remember the Stag? Many put in the Rover lump because it was a better engine, but they are'nt worth tuppence now unless they have their original engine. I really admire some of the instalations i have seen and appreciate the tremendous engineering skills involved, but they can only ever be a mungrel and not a pedigree.

[softtop]

I remember the Stag, if they wanted to keep the car on the road they had to use a different engine, not exactly the right comparison and there are not many people that make modifications to a car thinking about what the next owner will think. To also put it into perspective, if you had been in the Sag then you forget about the installation and enjoy the performance. Life is for living not wondering if your buyers will like it in the future.

[Guillotine]

There have also been occasions when the conversions have been the desired example, carrying more Dosh...

Costello
Crayford
Savage
Overfinch...
and some that have been absorbed by the manufacturer as it was cheaper and cleared copyright...
AMG
Schnitzer
Cooper

Quality and workmanship will always shine through. If it looks like it was an OEM install and is a marked improvement it'll always work / sell. In Pauls case BOTH are true.
The car now goes like it looks IMHO (definately a lottery win car for me)