RE: Racing Team Creates 7.0-litre V8 TVR Sagaris
Discussion
Sorry I must have typed it wrong, mine is the topcats racing built car. There will be two more LS7 powered TVR's in the new year by them but not Sagaris this time
Jetblackonetenth said:
blackiepaul said:
Yes there are two - the one in this topic which is mine and the Topcats Racing Car and then there is one that is for sale at the moment which in my eyes is not a great conversion.
Does that not make 3?
have not seen the Topcats racing car
Does that not make 3?
have not seen the Topcats racing car
Edited by blackiepaul on Friday 10th December 19:31
verminator said:
I most definitely would have bought a TVR with an LS engine in it IF the car had come out of the factory like it as with chims and other Tivs that left the factory as TVR had intended. In years to come the collectors will be searching for good ORIGINAL cars made by TVR not some engineering specialist no matter how well installed the engine is. Remember the Stag? Many put in the Rover lump because it was a better engine, but they are'nt worth tuppence now unless they have their original engine. I really admire some of the instalations i have seen and appreciate the tremendous engineering skills involved, but they can only ever be a mungrel and not a pedigree.
Although, a top notch Overfinch RR Classic can sell for nearly £40k, whereas an identical classic with a Rover engine instead of a Chevvy struggles to reach £10k.The key is making the installation a brand in order to attain future value.
There will be some LS botches, or let's say, not as professional as others and those will not be worth the same as an original car in years to come, but while I am someone who will pay up for originality I suspect that renowned LS conversions of S6 cars won't be trading at a discount.
It would be a shame if large numbers of S6 cars were converted but there is room for a fair number to be converted and I don't see an issue with it. It's personal choice. The few people who say it is no longer a TVR are 6 beers short of a 6 pack.
Nappler said:
I bet this Sagaris at 500+ BHP and all that torque is super quick, I'm wondering how long it will be before someone puts an LS9 in a TVR though 
only a matter of time surely, in fact it would probably be too extreme.
I Like this!! An LS9 engine in a little sagaris or Griffith, would be like nothing else, if anyone does it i want to see! only a matter of time surely, in fact it would probably be too extreme.Jack1988 said:
I Like this!! An LS9 engine in a little sagaris or Griffith, would be like nothing else, if anyone does it i want to see!
Sounds like fun, but $23,000 for a Chevy engine seems like it's a bit much when you think that you can probably get more power from a very slightly revised LS7. Best,
B.
Slow M said:
Jack1988 said:
I Like this!! An LS9 engine in a little sagaris or Griffith, would be like nothing else, if anyone does it i want to see!
Sounds like fun, but $23,000 for a Chevy engine seems like it's a bit much when you think that you can probably get more power from a very slightly revised LS7. Best,
B.
There will be another sagaris next year with a tuned ls3 based motor , it is Craig wins green race car . We are building it with a 7,0l ls3 based engine , it will be used in GT racing here and abroad . After reading on here "it not a real TVR " are people really that blinkered or just jealous ?
tinker-27 said:
There will be another sagaris next year with a tuned ls3 based motor , it is Craig wins green race car . We are building it with a 7,0l ls3 based engine , it will be used in GT racing here and abroad . After reading on here "it not a real TVR " are people really that blinkered or just jealous ?
The key is to give the conversion a name. Once it has a name it becomes a brand and an option. The Griffith, Cobra, Overfinch are good examples of how changing the engine and giving it a name helps solve the problem of purists etc from arguing an engine change is a bodge. In reality quite a few engine changes are horrible bodges and the market is aware of this and so many decent jobs are tarred with this brush.
Just stick a bespoke badge on the front and back of the converted car, produce a brochure and price list and get a couple of proper write-ups. Ergo the problem will go away.
I don't think it needs it's name changing , it is a tvr and always will be !! They were always fitted with other people's engines until the ajp ( I think ? Tell me if I'm wrong ) the landrover defender now has a ford transit motor in it but it's still a defender just with a different engine . New minis have a peugeot shared motor they are all up to it ,
tinker-27 said:
There will be another sagaris next year with a tuned ls3 based motor , it is Craig wins green race car . We are building it with a 7,0l ls3 based engine , it will be used in GT racing here and abroad . After reading on here "it not a real TVR " are people really that blinkered or just jealous ?
I say good luck to Craig/Danny next season, they pay the money so the choice is theirs.I for one will not feel a "connection" with the race Sag anymore, as I did this season for obvious reasons.
Having a car almost identical to a race car(engine/body) and watching it race gives you that "connection".
I really do not think there is any blinkered or jealous people saying its "not a TVR" its just a matter of losing the connection with the car, how many people have LS Sags? You can probably count on a few fingers.
Good luck with the conversion
tinker-27 said:
I don't think it needs it's name changing , it is a tvr and always will be !! They were always fitted with other people's engines until the ajp ( I think ? Tell me if I'm wrong ) the landrover defender now has a ford transit motor in it but it's still a defender just with a different engine . New minis have a peugeot shared motor they are all up to it ,
I suspect you are missing the point of what I am trying to get over. An original Overfinch is still a Range Rover. But as the conversion was done away from the factory it has value above a factory Range Rover because they made it a brand and marketed it as such.
You could go and stick a small block Chevy in a Rangie and it would be worth nothing extra, if not less. Even if you copied Overfinch.
It's just the way life works.
Topcats have gone part of the way by placing a nice plaque in the engine bay. Smart move. I would go further and give the conversion a name.
Lichfield is another good example.
It doesn't matter what engine is in a car. But the market has proven that of you deviate from the factory then doing so under a brand is the correct way. It gives the provenance that the product would require to retain value and normally outstrip the conventional factory cars.
I am talking road cara here. With a race car nothing is of any consequence outside of the rules for the series it is to be used in.
they can call it, lets say for example a Sagaris with LS engine, the
TVR Sagaris LS
you could LS seen as the chevy engine or short for, Lost Six
TVR Tamora LS
TVR T350 LS
TVR Tuscan LS
hm...can be done, sounds ok to me.
this also can bemade longer say TVR Sagaris LS3 or LS7 or LS9 what u use.
TVR Sagaris LS
you could LS seen as the chevy engine or short for, Lost Six
TVR Tamora LS
TVR T350 LS
TVR Tuscan LS
hm...can be done, sounds ok to me.
this also can bemade longer say TVR Sagaris LS3 or LS7 or LS9 what u use.
Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 29th November 21:46
GTRene said:
they can call it, lets say for example a Sagaris with LS engine, the
TVR Sagaris LS
you could LS seen as the chevy engine or short for, Lost Six
TVR Tamora LS
TVR T350 LS
TVR Tuscan LS
hm...can be done, sounds ok to me.
this also can bemade longer say TVR Sagaris LS3 or LS7 or LS9 what u use.
I don't think that would be strong enough.TVR Sagaris LS
you could LS seen as the chevy engine or short for, Lost Six
TVR Tamora LS
TVR T350 LS
TVR Tuscan LS
hm...can be done, sounds ok to me.
this also can bemade longer say TVR Sagaris LS3 or LS7 or LS9 what u use.
Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 29th November 21:46
When you look at the history of where this has been done and the value of these modded cars exceed the value of the standard ones they all use full names. Named after people or places. Places are quite good as you can choose somewhere in England that is asperational to a similar level of the vehicle.
Just putting LS, while it defines the product doesn't create anything asperational that could make the product appear significantly greater than the original.
I'm trying to think of some examples and the Range Rover classic ones keep coming to mind (as I've a big Rangie progect on at present):
Overfinch
Litchfield
Monteverdi
Schuler FF
Even LR themselves got in on it with the Olympic, CSK and Vogue
Just looking at the Germs you have Schnitzer, RUF, Hartge and many more.
Stick a v10 in a 1 series BMW and you've just made it worthless. Stick a Hartge badge on it and it is worth a lot. It's still a BMW but it's a BMW+ not a BMW-
The big question is what word would you use for a Tiv?
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