RE: Racing Team Creates 7.0-litre V8 TVR Sagaris
Discussion
tinker-27 said:
There will be another sagaris next year with a tuned ls3 based motor , it is Craig wins green race car . We are building it with a 7,0l ls3 based engine , it will be used in GT racing here and abroad . After reading on here "it not a real TVR " are people really that blinkered or just jealous ?
Is this the one which had the Power 4.5 in it? I thought I read that Dom said he was fitting the LS for next season? Which wires have I got twisted?Brummmie said:
And you have seen the others?
No Paul, not every LS done, but I've seen many and nearly all of theirs...Naming it after the builder is a usual mark of quality and confidence as listed below.
I didn't say it isn't possible to be better.
...touchy...but I'm not sure why.
Edited by Guillotine on Tuesday 29th November 23:10
Gazzab said:
Guillotine said:
DonkeyApple said:
Is this the one which had the Power 4.5 in it? I thought I read that Dom said he was fitting the LS for next season? Which wires have I got twisted?
It is having a chevy, but TVRPower aren't doing it.I am building the race car that craig runs with his son Danny driving it , I have built a few cars for Craig , his own Ls powered rx7 that he ran in time attack series, I did most of the prep on the car from a road car ready for last year tvr power did the engine as they wanted to show off there 4.5 speed six . The GT cup series was a shambles and we are going to a better series where we a allowed to change engines so we are going with a Ls so we can run lots more power to run with the big boys we hope !! . Tvr power will still help out with the car as it's a small budget car and he needs all the help we can get , top cats and my self have cars out there with lots of miles on them which says a lot for the quality of work I think . Brummies has been done for about 5 years now and is still the one to beat (I'm sure blackiepaul will have a go next year !!) .
grahamw48 said:
I agree.
It's a shame that one or more TVR models couldn't have been revived as per the Caterham Seven, another car that featured many different engine types.
Seriously? It's a shame that one or more TVR models couldn't have been revived as per the Caterham Seven, another car that featured many different engine types.
http://www.google.com/search?q=tvr+titan&hl=en...
Going back to the brand building, I like the the fact that my Ls conversion comes with a numbered signed badge by the builder Brain at Topcats, even if it just reminds me of some of my early SE Renaults &wide body Dimma's etc, and hopefully it adds some credibility to those in the know that the conversion was done by someone who knew what he was doing.
I chose Topcats due to the knowledge they had built up racing ls engines, liked what Brian was all about and had had a lap or 2 round Oulton in Paul Blacks LsSag, plus the fact they were only just down the road helps. Only found out about Graig and Dyno Torque later but having seen some of there work was v. impressed. don't think you could go wrong with either camp.Personally i think its great when anyone breaths new life into any classic, i spent 5 mins tailing a 2.8 Capri[always wanted one] round the M25 today picturing just what i'd do to it, until i realized the female driver thought i was stalking her.
I chose Topcats due to the knowledge they had built up racing ls engines, liked what Brian was all about and had had a lap or 2 round Oulton in Paul Blacks LsSag, plus the fact they were only just down the road helps. Only found out about Graig and Dyno Torque later but having seen some of there work was v. impressed. don't think you could go wrong with either camp.Personally i think its great when anyone breaths new life into any classic, i spent 5 mins tailing a 2.8 Capri[always wanted one] round the M25 today picturing just what i'd do to it, until i realized the female driver thought i was stalking her.
There is definitely something to be said for establishing a brand identity.
I am a pal (and customer!) of Tinker's ( so I may be biased!), but I have to say the quality of his conversions is superb.
As Brummie pointed out the level of experienced analytical problem solving that goes into each converted car is very thorough and professional.
The problem that the car buying audience have is that without a brand identity it's impossible to determine the quality of a conversion.
If , for instance I bought a sheddy, tired old Tiv and threw in the cheapest knackered old LS into it in my shed in a a haphazard manner, it obviously wouldn't rival the precision of engineering of for instance a Topcats or (Tinker's) Dyno Torque conversions.
However to the world at large it's another TVR with an LS....of indeterminate valuation
There are conversions, and there are professional conversions. (I'm not saying that it's impossible to build a quality LS conversion at home), but to help establish some kind of provenance and a consistent market value to a professionally converted car requires an easily identifiable branding strategy IMHO.
Get to it Tinker, apply some of that engineering creativity to a establishing a credible sub-brand....
I am a pal (and customer!) of Tinker's ( so I may be biased!), but I have to say the quality of his conversions is superb.
As Brummie pointed out the level of experienced analytical problem solving that goes into each converted car is very thorough and professional.
The problem that the car buying audience have is that without a brand identity it's impossible to determine the quality of a conversion.
If , for instance I bought a sheddy, tired old Tiv and threw in the cheapest knackered old LS into it in my shed in a a haphazard manner, it obviously wouldn't rival the precision of engineering of for instance a Topcats or (Tinker's) Dyno Torque conversions.
However to the world at large it's another TVR with an LS....of indeterminate valuation
There are conversions, and there are professional conversions. (I'm not saying that it's impossible to build a quality LS conversion at home), but to help establish some kind of provenance and a consistent market value to a professionally converted car requires an easily identifiable branding strategy IMHO.
Get to it Tinker, apply some of that engineering creativity to a establishing a credible sub-brand....
lippydave said:
There is definitely something to be said for establishing a brand identity.
I am a pal (and customer!) of Tinker's ( so I may be biased!), but I have to say the quality of his conversions is superb.
As Brummie pointed out the level of experienced analytical problem solving that goes into each converted car is very thorough and professional.
The problem that the car buying audience have is that without a brand identity it's impossible to determine the quality of a conversion.
If , for instance I bought a sheddy, tired old Tiv and threw in the cheapest knackered old LS into it in my shed in a a haphazard manner, it obviously wouldn't rival the precision of engineering of for instance a Topcats or (Tinker's) Dyno Torque conversions.
However to the world at large it's another TVR with an LS....of indeterminate valuation
There are conversions, and there are professional conversions. (I'm not saying that it's impossible to build a quality LS conversion at home), but to help establish some kind of provenance and a consistent market value to a professionally converted car requires an easily identifiable branding strategy IMHO.
Get to it Tinker, apply some of that engineering creativity to a establishing a credible sub-brand....
I agree completely with this.I am a pal (and customer!) of Tinker's ( so I may be biased!), but I have to say the quality of his conversions is superb.
As Brummie pointed out the level of experienced analytical problem solving that goes into each converted car is very thorough and professional.
The problem that the car buying audience have is that without a brand identity it's impossible to determine the quality of a conversion.
If , for instance I bought a sheddy, tired old Tiv and threw in the cheapest knackered old LS into it in my shed in a a haphazard manner, it obviously wouldn't rival the precision of engineering of for instance a Topcats or (Tinker's) Dyno Torque conversions.
However to the world at large it's another TVR with an LS....of indeterminate valuation
There are conversions, and there are professional conversions. (I'm not saying that it's impossible to build a quality LS conversion at home), but to help establish some kind of provenance and a consistent market value to a professionally converted car requires an easily identifiable branding strategy IMHO.
Get to it Tinker, apply some of that engineering creativity to a establishing a credible sub-brand....
When JE Engineering stick a SC Jag V8 in a Defender they call it the Zulu. It's still a Land Rover, it's still a Defender but it has an extra badge and brand assigned to it that makes it stand out from the norm and informs that this is a quality enhancement beyond the factory product. In practice there are many other people out there who could stick a Jag v8 in a Defender, even at home, but it's just a conversion away from what god intended, unless you package it as a brand belonging to a greater god.
The power of a brand is that the conversion isn't even always brilliant. The Overfinch conversions in the 80s left much to be desired and someone in a shed could have done a better job, but put those two cars up for sale today and the one with the Overfinch badge will command far more than a standard equal Classic and the shed conversion less. Good Classics are topping out around £25k, good Overfinches at £50k. Essentially it is just a Classic with a SBC Chevy lump and some upgraded gear but most importantly, it has a badge on the back saying Overfinch and enough people know this means something.
The professional people doing these TVR conversions owe it to themselves, their customers and the TVR fraternity to do similar and go the next step beyond a plaque in the engine bay and have a nice little classy badge that goes on the back of the car. Formalise the conversion, give it a good name, create an online brochure, get a few write-ups and I think nearly all the bickering will go away, there will be more business and the owners' cars will in all probability end up with a re-sale value in time above a factory car.
Logic would dictate a classical Greek word. And I don't mean humous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mytholo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_cre...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mytholo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_cre...
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 30th November 18:40
DonkeyApple said:
Logic would dictate a classical Greek word. And I don't mean humous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mytholo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_cre...
Like yer logic but amongst the comprehensive list I couldn't find the mythical beast known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mytholo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_cre...
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 30th November 18:40
Wifeyueus...A parasitic female creature known to prey on men's wallets in pursuit of fabulous footwear, whilst sappping their childhood dreams of monstrous supercars.....
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