RE: Racing Team Creates 7.0-litre V8 TVR Sagaris

RE: Racing Team Creates 7.0-litre V8 TVR Sagaris

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clarkey318is

2,220 posts

175 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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Zippee said:
Jigsjigz said:
:\ i like it but i just hope the build quality of these cars goes up... they already had the power... just door handles and bits would fall off... or the car would blow up.
You've obviously owned a lot of TVRs to have come to that conclusion!

Strange how it's usually the people who've never even been in one that come out with the ill-informed crap about build and reliability!
Schoolchildren don't buy TVRs usually.
This thing is gorgeous and I'm looking forward to some videos, with SOUND! biggrin

GIRF

32 posts

233 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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EviLScooB said:
550bhp of an engine of 7litres is hardly anything to get excited over, !!!
It is more then just the volume of the engine it is the lightweight compact package. Lighter and smaller then most V-6's including the one in the R33. You pick the one figure (7.0 l) that means the least. Try looking at HP, Tq, engine footprint and volume and engine weight.

roverspeed

700 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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R33 is a straight six.

Nice to see that TVR is making cars, no matter what the source of the engine may be.

Tis true about the potential tho, there must be a huge market already out there for all the LS-x engined cars.

Cacatous

3,163 posts

274 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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I've never driven an LS based car but I do miss my Speed 6 Tuscan S. Sounded awesome at full chat.

tgx4776

241 posts

192 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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GIRF said:
EviLScooB said:
550bhp of an engine of 7litres is hardly anything to get excited over, !!!
It is more then just the volume of the engine it is the lightweight compact package. Lighter and smaller then most V-6's including the one in the R33. You pick the one figure (7.0 l) that means the least. Try looking at HP, Tq, engine footprint and volume and engine weight.
Not to mention bullet proof reliability and so many parts to be had including after market performance and factory performance.

If you want more power talk to one of our own. this is his site.

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/engines.aspx

BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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Jigsjigz said:
:\ i like it but i just hope the build quality of these cars goes up... they already had the power... just door handles and bits would fall off... or the car would blow up.
Name a TVR in the last 12 years that actually HAD DOOR handles!!!!!!! wink

crimbo

1,308 posts

229 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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dinkel said:
Was in a 500+ brake R33 Skyline last weekend and it made me think: turboed straight 6 in a Sagaris would make more sense than a huge V8.

Am I alone here?
I thought this for along time, didnt realise someone was trying, I heard they would have issue with the massive heat from turbo's in a fibre glass car?

As for this install, its awesome, would be interested to know the rough costs, This or a 4.5 S6, heart says S6 brain says LS (just so much tunning potential!

Edited by crimbo on Tuesday 4th May 14:44

robm3

4,930 posts

228 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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Sound of the LS series...
I just had an LS2 put in my Ultima. I did think the sound was a little subdued in the cockpit but then my brother drove it past me at full chat and it sounded awesome.


Don1

15,950 posts

209 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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roverspeed said:
R33 is a straight six.

Nice to see that TVR is making cars, no matter what the source of the engine may be.

Tis true about the potential tho, there must be a huge market already out there for all the LS-x engined cars.
They aren't.... Not yet, maybe, possibly (etc). This is a reworking of a PH'ers personal car.

julian64

14,317 posts

255 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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Not sure what to think of this.

Turning a TVR into a kit car to give it more power.

Why not pick on any of the myriad of kit car bodies and chassis to stick an LS7 into. Why pick the Sagaris? It seems to be a favourite around here to grab a classic and dump an LS7 in and suggest you've improved the car, when actually you are just trying to capitalise on what people think about TVR.

It can't be easy to shoehorn an LS7 in where the S6 came out. I would venture a fair amount of cutting/altering of the frame had to take place.

In my opinion it would only appeal to those who like the power aspect of the LS7 but actually don't care anything about what TVR meant to joe public like me.

It would seem a great shame to me if the Sagris donor was a proper working model before being chopped, but then thats just me.

100x times better to go to someone like dom and get your power fix that way

BigTaf

46 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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it makes me warm and fuzy just knowing that there are cars still out there that are rip your face off mental cloud9cloud9cloud9

over_the_hill

3,189 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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Can I be tad controversial and suggest that might be too much power. Available power and usable power are rarely the same. Getting it all down on the road will not be easy in such a light weight car.

GTRene

16,582 posts

225 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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over_the_hill said:
Can I be tad controversial and suggest that might be too much power. Available power and usable power are rarely the same. Getting it all down on the road will not be easy in such a light weight car.
when its easy to get the power on the road, were would be some of the fun/adrenaline biggrin

DonkeyApple

55,378 posts

170 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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This is all fun but aren't there smarter options for V8s?

The LS is a little bit 'yee haa, Billy Bob and me are off to bang our mums''. 7 litres is just willy waving for people in houses on wheels isn't it? biggrin

Surely there is a more intelligent V8 that would deliver the same power but more smoothly and wisely?

Quite happy to be flamed but just find it a little pikey.

jbi

12,674 posts

205 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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LS series are incredibly efficient and compact for the displacement and power output.

Not to mention the huge aftermarket support for these engines and really it's a no-brainer

IVANHOE

554 posts

231 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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LittleSwill said:
turbo-ww said:
But you can see how the reputation is hard to shake off - Just ask Lancia about rust. They haven't had a problem with rust for years.
It's strange how differently Mercedes are treated. They just say they've sorted the problem and everybody just accepts it. In 30 years time will Clarkson be telling us a pile of rust is an E Class that was left outside for 5 minutes?
In 30 years time Clarkson still wont know his a55e from his elbow.


longbow

1,610 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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There is no denying the effectiveness of the LS engines in making lots of reliable horsepower coupled with more torque than you'd ever need. They are very tuneable, sound great are light and compact and best of all for a TVR - they are mechanically simple. I'm sure a high revving 48v quad cam type engine with 500+ hp would be great, but I can't think of any that would be as simple to install. Also remember that the quad cam V8 tend to be very wide - the LS engines are two-valve per cylinder and are therefore much narrower.

I always thought that putting that much power and torque to the road would be a real challenge with a TVR's light weight and relatively narrow rear rubber (as oppose to the 315+ sections of say the Z06) but Brummie's LS Cerbera seems to cope remarkably well and seems fairly tractable. It clearly elevates the car to the premier league in terms of performance i.e. mid to low 11 quarters and 200mph+ top end. In gear times are borderline scary with all that torque as well.

I can't wait to see/read the reviews of this Sag......

braders

622 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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If my sp6 gives any probs thats the route i plan to take

eldudereno

997 posts

228 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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It's taken them a bloody long time to come to their senses. The Chevy V8's are the most reliable, powerful, uncomplex and readily available V8's anywhere!

dinkel

26,954 posts

259 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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crimbo said:
dinkel said:
Was in a 500+ brake R33 Skyline last weekend and it made me think: turboed straight 6 in a Sagaris would make more sense than a huge V8.

Am I alone here?
I thought this for along time, didnt realise someone was trying, I heard they would have issue with the massive heat from turbo's in a fibre glass car?

As for this install, its awesome, would be interested to know the rough costs, This or a 4.5 S6, heart says S6 brain says LS (just so much tunning potential!
As if one would need more than 550 in a car weighing 1100 kgs. Handling would be a killer. High speeds are silly in a Cerbera. 160ish is about nuff.