Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
HustleRussell said:
You're only reading half of what I write. Ignoring the posts I have made extolling the virtues of winter tyres, ignoring the part where I have already explained the waste thing and telling me that I'm ignorant of the benefits when that is obviously not the case.
What gave you that idea ?Just for Nickfrog, I give you the two posts I made immediately before I supposedly 'seemed'
nickfrog said:
...convinced they are of no use in the South East and refuse to accept that other people's experience with them tells a different story. The fact that they work far better than my Supersports on my 6.45am or 7.00pm b-road commute just above freezing most December / January / February days is not an invention.
HustleRussell said:
In cold conditions they will provide more grip than summers even on a dry surface. They'll also clear standing water and slush much better, as well as the obvious benefits on snow and ice.
ETA: Just don't ask anyone on here at what temperature winter tyres start to out-perform summer tyres as it's a topic of much debate.
ETA: Just don't ask anyone on here at what temperature winter tyres start to out-perform summer tyres as it's a topic of much debate.
HustleRussell said:
Other benefits come from having a second set of wheels. You can downsize your winter set which will enable you to use a higher profile tyre which'll better protect your wheels and suspension from winter damaged potholed roads. They'll also be more comfortable and often quieter than summers which is a nice trade when you can't enjoy the feel and directness of lower profile summers for fear of coming off the road or damaging your wheels in a pothole.
Slow said:
Gritters haven't been out this morning. Roads are iced and snowed over, 5mph to college today... Yay? Wish more people bought winters
And this is the problem, while it is legal to drive on summer tyres with only 2mm on them when it is clearly not safe to do so, we get accidents all over the country. The M11 the other night between the A406 and the turn off for Cambridge there were 7 different accidents, it was not snowing, just very damp and cold, just above 1ºc. If everyone had been on winter tyres I bet most of those wouldn't have happened.
Repeating myself once again for the benefit of nickfrog.
HustleRussell said:
6 years is broadly given as a recommended best before date on car tyres. The DOT code on the sidewall will tell you the week and year of manufacture.
Here in Surrey I simply wouldn't get enough use out of 'em.
Here in Surrey I simply wouldn't get enough use out of 'em.
gizlaroc said:
The M11 the other night between the A406 and the turn off for Cambridge there were 7 different accidents, it was not snowing, just very damp and cold, just above 1ºc. If everyone had been on winter tyres I bet most of those wouldn't have happened.
Or, if drivers had been driving taking in to account the conditions, leaving enough room for the increased stopping distances as it suggests in the Highway Code, then perhaps some of the accidents could have been avoided.Repeating myself for the benefit of HustleRussell.
nickfrog said:
you (...) refuse to accept that other people's experience with them tells a different story. The fact that they work far better than my Supersports on my 6.45am or 7.00pm b-road commute just above freezing most December / January / February days is not an invention. Zero waste there, surely.
Besides, at £75/corner for Nokians W4 is not going to break anyone's bank over 6 years, surely. OE 381 BMW wheels were £200 second hand, ie buttons too and zero depreciation. In practice I tend to change car often and end up selling/getting new wheels/tyres at literally no loss buying in summer and selling in winter.
Again, what seems to be the problem ?
4,000 miles a year of optimised traction/lat grip in Surrey/Sussex at next to zero cost is not exactly a waste. Not to mention the saving in MPSS rubber.Besides, at £75/corner for Nokians W4 is not going to break anyone's bank over 6 years, surely. OE 381 BMW wheels were £200 second hand, ie buttons too and zero depreciation. In practice I tend to change car often and end up selling/getting new wheels/tyres at literally no loss buying in summer and selling in winter.
Again, what seems to be the problem ?
FiF said:
So it continues, the never ending cycle where people try to justify that their situation and circumstances are similar to those of the majority in order to continue an argument. They'll vehemently deny that's what they're doing , but it's obvious to many that is precisely what's behind it. Tedious, just accept everyone's circumstances are different, make your own decision and move on.
Yup I've had enough of nickfrog's circles too.
f1nn said:
Or, if drivers had been driving taking in to account the conditions, leaving enough room for the increased stopping distances as it suggests in the Highway Code, then perhaps some of the accidents could have been avoided.
Sometimes though you can do all that, but it only take one person to start aquaplaning or sliding when they brake to cause an accident. gizlaroc said:
Sometimes though you can do all that, but it only take one person to start aquaplaning or sliding when they brake to cause an accident.
And if everyone has left enough of a gap it's no drama.Ii'm sorry but to suggest that accidents wouldn't have happened on a cold wet motorway/A road if everyone was on winters is ridiculous.
We had a good amount of snow on Sunday night so the Monday commute was a lot slower than normal. Work car park was ankle deep as an indication.
Did I buy winter tyres to go faster? Of course not, I can only go as fast as the cars in front regardless of tyres.
Personally I bought winter tyres because it gives me far more confidence in the winter, I slept better knowing that in the morning I wouldn't be the one stuck or struggling on a hill. I've been there and done that and I now buy the tyres that suit my needs, in this case it's winters and I would still buy them if they cost me twice as much just for the added safety margin.
2 things stood out for me today.
1. At work with people talking about the roads and myself and someone else said "the drive in was fine, roads were not too bad", other people disagreed completely and said the roads were rubbish. Both him and I have winter tyres.
2. Bambie decided to test my tyres stopping ability on a sharp bend, Bambie got a fright and carried on with life and my insurance company didn't get a phone call.
Worth every penny.
Did I buy winter tyres to go faster? Of course not, I can only go as fast as the cars in front regardless of tyres.
Personally I bought winter tyres because it gives me far more confidence in the winter, I slept better knowing that in the morning I wouldn't be the one stuck or struggling on a hill. I've been there and done that and I now buy the tyres that suit my needs, in this case it's winters and I would still buy them if they cost me twice as much just for the added safety margin.
2 things stood out for me today.
1. At work with people talking about the roads and myself and someone else said "the drive in was fine, roads were not too bad", other people disagreed completely and said the roads were rubbish. Both him and I have winter tyres.
2. Bambie decided to test my tyres stopping ability on a sharp bend, Bambie got a fright and carried on with life and my insurance company didn't get a phone call.
Worth every penny.
f1nn said:
And if everyone has left enough of a gap it's no drama.
Ii'm sorry but to suggest that accidents wouldn't have happened on a cold wet motorway/A road if everyone was on winters is ridiculous.
There is a massive difference to stability and braking distance on them, I'm not saying none would have happened, but I bet some would have been avoided. Ii'm sorry but to suggest that accidents wouldn't have happened on a cold wet motorway/A road if everyone was on winters is ridiculous.
I can feel how twitchy my C320 was last week on Continental summers on the motorway, now on Dunlop Winter Sports and it is planted again. And that is just on standing water etc.
f1nn said:
gizlaroc said:
Sometimes though you can do all that, but it only take one person to start aquaplaning or sliding when they brake to cause an accident.
And if everyone has left enough of a gap it's no drama.Ii'm sorry but to suggest that accidents wouldn't have happened on a cold wet motorway/A road if everyone was on winters is ridiculous.
gizlaroc said:
There is a massive difference to stability and braking distance on them, I'm not saying none would have happened, but I bet some would have been avoided.
I can feel how twitchy my C320 was last week on Continental summers on the motorway, now on Dunlop Winter Sports and it is planted again. And that is just on standing water etc.
Oh well, remind to avoid continental then if they can't cope with standing water.I can feel how twitchy my C320 was last week on Continental summers on the motorway, now on Dunlop Winter Sports and it is planted again. And that is just on standing water etc.
poing said:
Did I buy winter tyres to go faster? Of course not, I can only go as fast as the cars in front regardless of tyres.
Personally I bought winter tyres because it gives me far more confidence in the winter, I slept better knowing that in the morning I wouldn't be the one stuck or struggling on a hill. I've been there and done that and I now buy the tyres that suit my needs, in this case it's winters and I would still buy them if they cost me twice as much just for the added safety margin.
2 things stood out for me today.
1. At work with people talking about the roads and myself and someone else said "the drive in was fine, roads were not too bad", other people disagreed completely and said the roads were rubbish. Both him and I have winter tyres.
2. Bambie decided to test my tyres stopping ability on a sharp bend, Bambie got a fright and carried on with life and my insurance company didn't get a phone call.
Worth every penny.
Due to changed circumstances I no longer run two sets in UK, but effectively run all seasons that are also M&S and 3PMS marked.Personally I bought winter tyres because it gives me far more confidence in the winter, I slept better knowing that in the morning I wouldn't be the one stuck or struggling on a hill. I've been there and done that and I now buy the tyres that suit my needs, in this case it's winters and I would still buy them if they cost me twice as much just for the added safety margin.
2 things stood out for me today.
1. At work with people talking about the roads and myself and someone else said "the drive in was fine, roads were not too bad", other people disagreed completely and said the roads were rubbish. Both him and I have winter tyres.
2. Bambie decided to test my tyres stopping ability on a sharp bend, Bambie got a fright and carried on with life and my insurance company didn't get a phone call.
Worth every penny.
Also I don't use these to go faster but to give a better control window. Even though there have been many occasions when on full winters or the all seasons that it would have been possible to go faster, it makes sense to me to travel at the sort of pace that other traffic is expecting.
Being that these all seasons are on vehicles that are driven fairly gently any compromise outside the cold weather months is marginal.
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