Winter tyres vol 2

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HustleRussell

24,703 posts

160 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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untakenname said:
My tyres tread below 2mm and I'm wondering if it's worth putting another set of summers on (Federal 595 RSR's) as we realistically have only another month or two before the weather turns poor again, would now be a good time to pick up a pair of winters due to low demand meaning lower prices?

I've just been checking gigatyres and openeo and annoyingly due to the Brexit prices have gone up by £20 per corner compared to my last set frown

Hold on... So your options are a set of semi slicks or a pair of winters? How does that work?

A month or two before the weather is poor enough for winters? Which country do you live in?

Sounds to me like you need at least two sets of wheels if you want to be able to run the Federals in the summer and have a suitable tyre for the other three seasons- which, depending on your region, could be something like a Uniroyal summer tyre or all seasons. I suppose you could go for winters but for me, having a set of semi slicks and a set of winters is like having a pair of flip flops and a pair of safety boots and nothing in between.

nickfrog

21,162 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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Russell, you're right, it's bizarre but I am considering doing the same thing with the Megane. The NS2R have proven to be decent in the rain, far better than I expected so depending how far I can push them into the year (end of October) I might switch to a winter set then until the first track days, maybe end of Feb. I only do 6k a year.
I agree it shouldn't work but might be worth a punt.

HustleRussell

24,703 posts

160 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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I can't help thinking that you will both be spending a large portion of the year on tyres which are sub-optimal for the conditions.

nickfrog

21,162 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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Depends what you call large. May to September: NS2R are great. December to Feb : winters should be OK. So yes 4 months where we would be on the wrong tyre... I can't see myself running a third set though so I might stick to road tyres instead of winters, which means sub optimal too. Arghhh....

Countdown

39,899 posts

196 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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nickfrog said:
Jimboka said:
nickfrog said:
Winters have been the optimum tyre in SE England in the past few weeks. They're really great, even further into northern France, they've been great for the climate and the conditions when commuting there. They remove a decent layer of uncertainty, particularly on a decently pokey RWD car with an open diff. I'd have survived on summers but I can't see any downfalls to winters. I also got to use the work's pool new X5 on summers which wasn't as sorted.
Strange
I've been driving in the SE for 35+ years & have never had winter tyres.
Once my journey home took an hour longer. Once I worked from home due to the snow. Waste of time around here IMHO
I can totally see why you would think they are a waste of time if you've never tried them. I agree they waste 45mn twice a year swapping the wheels but that's the only downside, including cost, as abundantly explained in this thread. In a non-binary world, not having them doesn't mean you will implode if you stick to summers but you can't really have an opinion about them if you haven't tried them, by definition. The geographical location is quite irrelevant : I drive on stty, greasy, b-roads every day, including in the -2 to 2 deg range this winter. Winter tyres have added a significant amount of lat grip and traction compared to Pilot Supersports that were new yet rock hard at that temp : it really is a fact, not an opinion. Could I have driven drastically more conservatively on summers to probably not even conserve the same margin of safety ? Yes. Do I want to ? No. Nothing strange there, you'll agree.


Edited by nickfrog on Friday 29th April 13:15
Would it be fair for a person to say "Winter tyres are a waste of time for me"?

I live in the North West and we do get a reasonable amount of snow. However it's never affected me to the point where I've thought "I need winter tyres". One way or another I've always coped. However my neighbour's circmstances may be such that, for him, they are essential.

As a general comment I think it's excellent that people put so much thought into tyre choice for reasons of safety. I wish we also had more threads promoting other safety-related topics eg speeding.

Sonic

4,007 posts

207 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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That's what i tend to do - some more summer/track orientated rubber from April - October then winters from around October or whenever the weather changes (Dec last year!) till spring on another set of alloys. It works very well.

One car ended up running Nokian WRD4's until about July when the temp went over 28c. They worked remarkably well! biggrin

nickfrog

21,162 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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Sonic said:
That's what i tend to do - some more summer/track orientated rubber from April - October then winters from around October or whenever the weather changes (Dec last year!) till spring on another set of alloys. It works very well.

One car ended up running Nokian WRD4's until about July when the temp went over 28c. They worked remarkably well! biggrin
Good to hear. I ran the Nokian D4s too and they're great. But I got ridiculed here for stating they are premium tyres just because they are simply as good as one and because Nokia only make mid-range tyres...apparently...and whatever that means.

Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 18th August 12:45

ATM

18,290 posts

219 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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I was running Michelin alpin winters on my porsche boxster up until about 4 weeks ago. Then I heard some squealing while turning into a bend and thought I really need to stop shredding these now that the weather is actually quite warm.

RicksAlfas

13,401 posts

244 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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Are Continental TS860 the winter tyre of choice this year?
It's been a while since I needed to buy some new ones, so I'm a bit out of touch.

They'll be going on a C-Class, probably in 225/50/17, but I'm waiting for confirmation from Merc about the correct size as it's a hybrid and there is a mass of batteries in the boot!

NRS

22,171 posts

201 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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These should be going on today.


RicksAlfas

13,401 posts

244 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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I think that might be a bit more than I'm after.
hehe

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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RicksAlfas said:
Are Continental TS860 the winter tyre of choice this year?
It's been a while since I needed to buy some new ones, so I'm a bit out of touch.

They'll be going on a C-Class, probably in 225/50/17, but I'm waiting for confirmation from Merc about the correct size as it's a hybrid and there is a mass of batteries in the boot!
Yes. Though if you're in the UK, particularly the south of the UK, it makes more sense to run an all season as a winter. Then you want either the Michelin CrossClimate or the Goodyear Vector 4Season Gen 2.

Personally, living just north of London, the CrossClimate would be my tyre of choice. Though if you're planning on hitting snow and ice more than sporadically the Goodyear and Conti are also great choices.

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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NRS said:
These should be going on today.

I'm glad you live where you do hehe

TroubledSoul

4,599 posts

194 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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Going to have to get mine put onto the winter rims for the Subaru soon. Don't think I'll jump until November though. Not unless they start salting at any point. I really don't want my brand new wheels getting destroyed....

I'll be using a set I bought last year. Dunlops IIRC. Hopefully get a decent winter out of them.

RicksAlfas

13,401 posts

244 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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jon- said:
Yes. Though if you're in the UK, particularly the south of the UK, it makes more sense to run an all season as a winter. Then you want either the Michelin CrossClimate or the Goodyear Vector 4Season Gen 2.

Personally, living just north of London, the CrossClimate would be my tyre of choice. Though if you're planning on hitting snow and ice more than sporadically the Goodyear and Conti are also great choices.
Thanks Jon. I'm 1,100 feet up in The Pennines, so I'm quite happy to swap to "proper" winters. (Although NRS might dispute they are proper winters!).

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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RicksAlfas said:
jon- said:
Yes. Though if you're in the UK, particularly the south of the UK, it makes more sense to run an all season as a winter. Then you want either the Michelin CrossClimate or the Goodyear Vector 4Season Gen 2.

Personally, living just north of London, the CrossClimate would be my tyre of choice. Though if you're planning on hitting snow and ice more than sporadically the Goodyear and Conti are also great choices.
Thanks Jon. I'm 1,100 feet up in The Pennines, so I'm quite happy to swap to "proper" winters. (Although NRS might dispute they are proper winters!).
TS860 for sure then smile Conti make a hell of a winter tyre.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Continental-W...

RicksAlfas

13,401 posts

244 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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Thanks. Cool chilli!
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funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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I'm selling a set of Nexen Winguard's if anyone is interested.

Won't link to ad because of PH rules, but they are 205/50/R17's with plenty of tread left. Currently on ebay with no reserve.

PM me for details.

andyps

7,817 posts

282 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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Just sold the winter wheels and tyres for my wife's Freelander as I figure it should get us just about anywhere on CrossClimates - the summer tyres will need replacing in November so decided to go for those and regain a bit of space in the shed. Hope I'm right!

Winters will be on my XK8 by December though.

SwissJonese

1,393 posts

175 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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I've just put on a set of new Continental ContiWinterContact TS 830 P Run Flats on our BMW 118i. Notice no difference to road noise on the motorway or driving in general, really nice tyres. I only put them on as the wife is up super early doing some long distances and it is around 5degrees here in sunny Wales.