Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
jon- said:
jshell said:
This is the definitive Scandinavian winter tyre test for 2016 models: https://www.naf.no/forbrukertester/dekktester/vint...
Yes, they work in the UK. No, they won't melt above 7degC. No, they won't fall apart. No, they won't cook. etc, etc, etf
kingcetera...
Yes, they'll work. Yes, they'll be crap in the dry. Yes, they'll be pretty awful in the warm and wet.Yes, they work in the UK. No, they won't melt above 7degC. No, they won't fall apart. No, they won't cook. etc, etc, etf
kingcetera...No, you shouldn't use them in the majority of the UK, there are better options for our climate.
ks. Western Scandinavia has a similar, but wetter climate than ours in the winter. West coast saw next to no snow last year and yet people survived driving to work, shops or wherever...and these tyres are mandatory there.This whole 'not suitable for UK' thing is a properly retarded argument, quite frankly!
jshell said:
CraigyMc said:
jshell said:
This is the definitive Scandinavian winter tyre test for 2016 models: https://www.naf.no/forbrukertester/dekktester/vint...
Yes, they work in the UK. No, they won't melt above 7degC. No, they won't fall apart. No, they won't cook. etc, etc, etfkingcetera...
The top tyre there has a 190km/h speed rating. My car did 232km/h a fortnight ago.Yes, they work in the UK. No, they won't melt above 7degC. No, they won't fall apart. No, they won't cook. etc, etc, etf
kingcetera...Falling apart and cooking depends on the sort of driving you do.
jshell said:
jon- said:
jshell said:
This is the definitive Scandinavian winter tyre test for 2016 models: https://www.naf.no/forbrukertester/dekktester/vint...
Yes, they work in the UK. No, they won't melt above 7degC. No, they won't fall apart. No, they won't cook. etc, etc, etfkingcetera...
Yes, they'll work. Yes, they'll be crap in the dry. Yes, they'll be pretty awful in the warm and wet.Yes, they work in the UK. No, they won't melt above 7degC. No, they won't fall apart. No, they won't cook. etc, etc, etf
kingcetera...No, you shouldn't use them in the majority of the UK, there are better options for our climate.
ks. Western Scandinavia has a similar, but wetter climate than ours in the winter. West coast saw next to no snow last year and yet people survived driving to work, shops or wherever...and these tyres are mandatory there.This whole 'not suitable for UK' thing is a properly retarded argument, quite frankly!
Teknikens World tested studded, studless and european winter tyres in the same test. Here's the results: http://colesa.ru/news/52082
In particular, look at the dry and wet braking, which is the majority of our winter conditions. Here even the BUDGET HiFly european winter tyre beats the very best studded and studless nordic winter tyre. This is a tyre which would score very poorly in a full european tyre test.
So if your argument than a tyre WORSE than the worst of our budget European winters in the dry and wet is the correct tyre to be on for the majority of the UK, well, I hope you're never behind me during an emergency brake.
Of course, I'm sure you have evidence showing the nordic winters are as good as our european winters in the dry and wet, so I'd love to see it.
Edit, to help everyone, the colour code in the charts is yellow - studded, blue - studless nordic, red - european winter.
jon- said:
Lets back up our arguments with facts.
Teknikens World tested studded, studless and european winter tyres in the same test. Here's the results: http://colesa.ru/news/52082
In particular, look at the dry and wet braking, which is the majority of our winter conditions. Here even the BUDGET HiFly european winter tyre beats the very best studded and studless nordic winter tyre. This is a tyre which would score very poorly in a full european tyre test.
So if your argument than a tyre much WORSE than the worst of our budget European winters in the dry and wet is the correct tyre to be on for the majority of the UK, well, I hope you're never behind me during an emergency brake.
Of course, I'm sure you have evidence showing the nordic winters are as good as our european winters in the dry and wet, so I'd love to see it.
Edit, to help everyone, the colour code in the charts is yellow - studded, blue - studless nordic, red - european winter.
I think you're due a parrot!Teknikens World tested studded, studless and european winter tyres in the same test. Here's the results: http://colesa.ru/news/52082
In particular, look at the dry and wet braking, which is the majority of our winter conditions. Here even the BUDGET HiFly european winter tyre beats the very best studded and studless nordic winter tyre. This is a tyre which would score very poorly in a full european tyre test.
So if your argument than a tyre much WORSE than the worst of our budget European winters in the dry and wet is the correct tyre to be on for the majority of the UK, well, I hope you're never behind me during an emergency brake.
Of course, I'm sure you have evidence showing the nordic winters are as good as our european winters in the dry and wet, so I'd love to see it.
Edit, to help everyone, the colour code in the charts is yellow - studded, blue - studless nordic, red - european winter.
I never, ever said that they were better, or worse. I pointed out that there are thousands of people daily driving in real life who are not crashing out, spinning off or having their tyres melt or tread stripped by using them in the UK winter!
Every year the same pish that Scandic tyres are a complete danger in the UK, whereas the conditions for many are exactly the same! Someone will be along with the magic 7degC soon...
Plenty people drive daily on very low spec ditch-finder tyres, but are they doomed to die because of it? No! They drive to the conditions on what they have paid for and tend to get home OK.
Will they crash if they try to drive at 10/tenths? Likely.
You can supply all of the test details or numbers you like, but Western Norway saw next to no snow or ice last year or the year before and the hospitals didn't have queues at the door of A&E.
Andehh said:
Rear's changed over to winter tyres due to hitting something on the motorway and damaging the alloy/tyre.
Will have to accept the additional wear for the next few weeks until I was planning on swapping them over anyway.
grrrrrr
My fronts are nearly to the markers, I'm desperately clinging on to them til it's time for winters.Will have to accept the additional wear for the next few weeks until I was planning on swapping them over anyway.
grrrrrr
Can't be long right?
Calza said:
Andehh said:
Rear's changed over to winter tyres due to hitting something on the motorway and damaging the alloy/tyre.
Will have to accept the additional wear for the next few weeks until I was planning on swapping them over anyway.
grrrrrr
My fronts are nearly to the markers, I'm desperately clinging on to them til it's time for winters.Will have to accept the additional wear for the next few weeks until I was planning on swapping them over anyway.
grrrrrr
Can't be long right?
ATM said:
Off Topic
What are the Cup 2 like on a daily driver?
I have no grumbles. I take it easy in heavy rain and lots of standing water but I'd do that anyway to be fair. I've used the cup 2s and federal rsr's as daily tyres - no complaints on either. Cup2's even seem to be wearing well too.What are the Cup 2 like on a daily driver?
s m said:
Autoexpress have done a big winter tyre test today
Conti TS860s 1st
Nokian WR D4s 2nd
I have ran the D4s on the M135i and they are superb - the Finns seems to know what they're doing when it comes to winter compounds.Conti TS860s 1st
Nokian WR D4s 2nd
The other aspect is that they're aggressively priced despite clearly being a premium tyre as some still perceive them as a budget tyre because they don't spend millions in BS marketing or because some of the tyre websites still class them as "mid-range" (which is meaningless) - they'll probably last longer than the Conti, but that's not difficult...
nickfrog said:
s m said:
Autoexpress have done a big winter tyre test today
Conti TS860s 1st
Nokian WR D4s 2nd
I have ran the D4s on the M135i and they are superb - the Finns seems to know what they're doing when it comes to winter compounds.Conti TS860s 1st
Nokian WR D4s 2nd
The other aspect is that they're aggressively priced despite clearly being a premium tyre as some still perceive them as a budget tyre because they don't spend millions in BS marketing or because some of the tyre websites still class them as "mid-range" (which is meaningless) - they'll probably last longer than the Conti, but that's not difficult...
Calza said:
Andehh said:
Rear's changed over to winter tyres due to hitting something on the motorway and damaging the alloy/tyre.
Will have to accept the additional wear for the next few weeks until I was planning on swapping them over anyway.
grrrrrr
My fronts are nearly to the markers, I'm desperately clinging on to them til it's time for winters.Will have to accept the additional wear for the next few weeks until I was planning on swapping them over anyway.
grrrrrr
Can't be long right?
some advice from someone in the know please. Wife car has 20" alloys and 255/35/R20 tyres. Previous car (older model) had 17" alloys and 225 tyres. The price difference is huge, like double. Added, I know enough that winters on a 20" alloy is plain daft.
I'm thinking about getting some steels and much narrower winters. I assume a narrower tyre is better? Am I on the right track?
I'm thinking about getting some steels and much narrower winters. I assume a narrower tyre is better? Am I on the right track?
Burwood said:
some advice from someone in the know please. Wife car has 20" alloys and 255/35/R20 tyres. Previous car (older model) had 17" alloys and 225 tyres. The price difference is huge, like double. Added, I know enough that winters on a 20" alloy is plain daft.
I'm thinking about getting some steels and much narrower winters. I assume a narrower tyre is better? Am I on the right track?
If you look in the handbook, or on the tyre pressure label on the car it "should" give you a recommended size for winter wheels and tyres.I'm thinking about getting some steels and much narrower winters. I assume a narrower tyre is better? Am I on the right track?
ModernAndy said:
I've kept the winters on my daily driver since last winter and they're feeling a lot grippier this week so if the weather with you is anything like here in Fife you'll be fine.
It's probably not in London. I also have far too much power for the front wheels for summer tyres 
Burwood said:
My winters say below 4mm, bin them. Is that sort of where your marker is?
I meant my summers are at the limit. The winters have shed loads left!Gassing Station | Suspension, Brakes & Tyres | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff