Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
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ATM said:
Can I be an early adopter and start talking about Winter Tyre removal.
So who is thinking about getting their Winters off and when?
I'm flying out to Italy this weekend so that leaves next weekend as my first real opportunity to get the jack out. Too early?
Planning on keeping winters on as long as possible - quieter, more comfortable and better mpg than the summers. Perform better in cold and rain. (Vredestein wintrac extreme vs continental sportcontact 5 ).So who is thinking about getting their Winters off and when?
I'm flying out to Italy this weekend so that leaves next weekend as my first real opportunity to get the jack out. Too early?
To all those talking about removing their winters, on the way to work this morning, temp was showing 3*. On the road dropping down from Sheldon to Ashford in the Water nr Bakewell, I was waved down by a Police officer in a Freelander coming up towards me.
He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
jep said:
To all those talking about removing their winters, on the way to work this morning, temp was showing 3*. On the road dropping down from Sheldon to Ashford in the Water nr Bakewell, I was waved down by a Police officer in a Freelander coming up towards me.
He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
Yep, 2 degrees in Aylesbury this morning so I'll keep mine on for a bit longer. Also, I need to travel up to Leeds in a week or so which will probably be a frozen wasteland by thenHe was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
Foppo said:
I'm surprised in 2014 drivers have to mess about with tyres swapping summer and winter.
Not surprised the majority of people don't bother.My cousin in the Netherlands uses all season tyres I believe a German tyre supposed to be the best.Isn't that the way to go?
Not really, no. Or at least for me. I like a stiff sidewalled, soft compound summer tyre that is essentially a grooved slick for summer but in winter those are useless. Similarly I wouldn't want to be driving around in a quick car all year, limited by winter tyres in the middle of summer. Of course I have done that in the past, but it's not the ideal situation and I would far rather be running the ideal tyres for the conditions at the time. Of course if it's just for Doris round the corner in her 1.2 Fiesta then all-season's are probably the ideal solution for the UK.Not surprised the majority of people don't bother.My cousin in the Netherlands uses all season tyres I believe a German tyre supposed to be the best.Isn't that the way to go?
Foppo said:
I'm surprised in 2014 drivers have to mess about with tyres swapping summer and winter.
Not surprised the majority of people don't bother.My cousin in the Netherlands uses all season tyres I believe a German tyre supposed to be the best.Isn't that the way to go?
Compromised performance in the summer and not as good in the cold as proper winters is my understanding. Plus I have a garage and a set of spare wheel, so...Not surprised the majority of people don't bother.My cousin in the Netherlands uses all season tyres I believe a German tyre supposed to be the best.Isn't that the way to go?
Changing wheels twice a year really isn't that much of an issue.
jep said:
To all those talking about removing their winters, on the way to work this morning, temp was showing 3*. On the road dropping down from Sheldon to Ashford in the Water nr Bakewell, I was waved down by a Police officer in a Freelander coming up towards me.
He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
Winter tyres don't make any difference on sheet ice, unless they have studs. The cars that left the road simply were traveling too fast for the near total loss of friction over the icy part of the road.He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
Catatafish said:
jep said:
To all those talking about removing their winters, on the way to work this morning, temp was showing 3*. On the road dropping down from Sheldon to Ashford in the Water nr Bakewell, I was waved down by a Police officer in a Freelander coming up towards me.
He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
Winter tyres don't make any difference on sheet ice, unless they have studs. The cars that left the road simply were traveling too fast for the near total loss of friction over the icy part of the road.He was in the process of closing the road because 4 people had gone off already as it was like sheet ice round the bends at the bottom of the hill. He told me to take extreme care and watchout for the van in the wall.
I'm keeping mine on for the foreseeable future.
Bill said:
I would guess 30:40:30 over Europe due to snow clearance/grit and fewer snowy areas. With a lower proportion again in the UK because it doesn't snow that much in the more populated areas.
"During winter months, the percentage of accidents on different road types are 58% dry, 35% wet and 8% snowy roads. While snow covered roads only account for a small percentage of the overall winter accidents, you’re 5 times more likely to have an accident in the snow based on identical distances travelled"smn159 said:
Yep, 2 degrees in Aylesbury this morning so I'll keep mine on for a bit longer. Also, I need to travel up to Leeds in a week or so which will probably be a frozen wasteland by then
I live on similar latitudes to you (rather than the northerners that even the summer tyre evangelists don't question for running winters) and I'm toying with running my Sottozero 3's year round, rather than buying a second set of wheels. The only thing I want to judge first is wear rates - if they're wearing particularly fast in summer temps I might be persuaded to make the switch, but I've had them on since December and since they bedded in (500 miles or so) they've been excellent in day to day use, irrespective of outside temp.Foppo said:
I'm surprised in 2014 drivers have to mess about with tyres swapping summer and winter.
Not surprised the majority of people don't bother.My cousin in the Netherlands uses all season tyres I believe a German tyre supposed to be the best.Isn't that the way to go?
For a lot of people, I agree. I ran Goodyear Vector 4Seasons on my old hack and they drive like a premium branded summer tyre in summer - I couldn't tell the difference between the all seasons and the (Goodyear) summers they replaced. And whilst I never tried any dedicated winters on the same car the all seasons felt grippy and reassuring in everything from rain, snow and that horrible compacted slush. If I still had a FWD car I'd have stuck with all seasons - whilst in theory there is a compromise, I just never noticed it. But that was with top quality (and accordingly priced) all seasons.Not surprised the majority of people don't bother.My cousin in the Netherlands uses all season tyres I believe a German tyre supposed to be the best.Isn't that the way to go?
That being said I switched to a heavy, much more powerful RWD car I wanted that extra bit of performance in snow - so dedicated winters made sense for me. And if I were driving something in which I was pushing the limits of grip regularly (M3 etc, or if that was my driving style) I'd probably do the same and get good quality summers and winters.
If you've got the storage space it near enough balances out cost wise over time anyway.
Catatafish said:
Winter tyres don't make any difference on sheet ice, unless they have studs. The cars that left the road simply were traveling too fast for the near total loss of friction over the icy part of the road.
I was referencing, pretty much verbatim, the analogy the Police Officer gave me - please accept my apologies for the confusion over any literal picture it gave. The road was not covered literally by a layer of ice (that I could see anyway) but it was obviously extremely slippery as evidenced by the multiple instances of vehicles leaving the carriageway.In my opinion, winter tyres made a significant difference. I didn't feel any loss of traction whatsoever and was able to steer, brake and continue my drive quite happily whereas these poor souls will have to deal with the consequences of having an off - who knows if winter tyres would have made a difference, but knowing the road reasonably well, my guess is that they could have helped mitigate an accident.
But yes, you are absolutely spot on, studded tyres would be preferable on ice.
jon- said:
"During winter months, the percentage of accidents on different road types are 58% dry, 35% wet and 8% snowy roads. While snow covered roads only account for a small percentage of the overall winter accidents, you’re 5 times more likely to have an accident in the snow based on identical distances travelled"
I'm surprised by the dry/wet results. It'd be interesting to see the comparison done per mile.Bill said:
jon- said:
"During winter months, the percentage of accidents on different road types are 58% dry, 35% wet and 8% snowy roads. While snow covered roads only account for a small percentage of the overall winter accidents, you’re 5 times more likely to have an accident in the snow based on identical distances travelled"
I'm surprised by the dry/wet results. It'd be interesting to see the comparison done per mile.Gassing Station | Suspension, Brakes & Tyres | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff