Winter tyres vol 2

[blueg33]

Mr2Mike said:

M1C said:

Although it has been well under the 7*C threshold for some time now.

And yet there don't seem to be piles of cars in ditches shod with summer tyres. Quite odd.

There were this morning!

On the road past Rollright Stones near Chipping Norton there we two cars in the ditch/hedge, one went off just in front of me. (MX5, I stopped to check that he driver was ok and could call a breakdown truck)

I was in the Evora with winter tyres.

A bit further towards Silverstone there had obviously been surface water that had frozen and then been broken up by traffic into what looked like snow. It was on the approach to a roundabout and a complete surprise, you came round a corner straight onto it. Several people slid out onto the roundabout and the rwd BMW in front of me just went in a straight line instead of around the curve.

I wouldn't fancy driving the Evora (rwd, lots of throttle response) without winters in this weather.

[Theoldman]

My little C1 has those ECO tyres on it, and driving it is even more fun at the moment!
BUT the roads here are salted and not that bad!

Was tempted to get a set of winter wheels/tyres for it, but have a Range Rover if it snows.
Can anyone say how good are the RR standard tyres in really bad weather?
Pirelli 4X4 M&S.

[jon-]

Theoldman said:

My little C1 has those ECO tyres on it, and driving it is even more fun at the moment!
BUT the roads here are salted and not that bad!

Was tempted to get a set of winter wheels/tyres for it, but have a Range Rover if it snows.
Can anyone say how good are the RR standard tyres in really bad weather?
Pirelli 4X4 M&S.

I believe the technical term is pretty crap, unless you're running an AT tyre.

[Theoldman]

jon- said:

Theoldman said:

My little C1 has those ECO tyres on it, and driving it is even more fun at the moment!
BUT the roads here are salted and not that bad!

Was tempted to get a set of winter wheels/tyres for it, but have a Range Rover if it snows.
Can anyone say how good are the RR standard tyres in really bad weather?
Pirelli 4X4 M&S.

I believe the technical term is pretty crap, unless you're running an AT tyre.

A quick trawl of the web seems to confirm as you say.
But some are indicating OK on snow, crap on ice, but they are listed as summer tyres!
So perhaps a set of winters for the C1 would be better option.

If we get any snow down here, I'll come back and let you know my experiences.

[Veeayt]

Just put on some chinese winters (Triangle TR-777) on our family car (Toyota Corolla), and I'm hugely surprised with them. The grip is excellent, and the only two downsides I've found so far is road noise and their heaviness. Chinese seem to be made a huge leap in quality.

[RicksAlfas]

Veeayt said:

Chinese seem to be made a huge leap in quality.

Is that what the sticker says on them?

[jamieduff1981]

jon- said:

Theoldman said:

My little C1 has those ECO tyres on it, and driving it is even more fun at the moment!
BUT the roads here are salted and not that bad!

Was tempted to get a set of winter wheels/tyres for it, but have a Range Rover if it snows.
Can anyone say how good are the RR standard tyres in really bad weather?
Pirelli 4X4 M&S.

I believe the technical term is pretty crap, unless you're running an AT tyre.

My pals with Range Rover Sports run summer and winter tyres on theirs'. As might be expected, they can get moving easily enough with all their traction wizardry, but brake and turn corners using the same 4 tyres the rest of us do.

[omfgmynamewontfi]

Theoldman said:

My little C1 has those ECO tyres on it, and driving it is even more fun at the moment!
BUT the roads here are salted and not that bad!

Was tempted to get a set of winter wheels/tyres for it, but have a Range Rover if it snows.
Can anyone say how good are the RR standard tyres in really bad weather?
Pirelli 4X4 M&S.

why don't you get a set of those tyre warmers? that will save you money on new tyres

[Dog Star]

Theoldman said:

My little C1 has those ECO tyres on it, and driving it is even more fun at the moment!
BUT the roads here are salted and not that bad!

I got a C1 on one of those loony cheap lease deals a few years ago. As soon as I got the car I swapped the tyres over for Goodyear Vector All-Seasons (with the mountain and snowflake) and sold the tyres off the car on Ebay (it ended up costing my 40 quid to swap to the Vectors all in). It was amazing in the snow we had - it was actually comical when this diddy car that looked like a boiled sweet would rock up in stuff that you'd only see serious cars taking on. Only time it got stuck was when I was having to "bulldoze" my way down a road and it got quite simply too deep.

[popeyewhite]

jamieduff1981 said:

A high performance car will become noticeably skittish in winter on its summer tyres.

A high performance car's handling will become noticeably less sharp in any season on winters. Better put up with adjusting to the conditions and driver skill than too-soft rubber that blunts the handling.

[jamieduff1981]

popeyewhite said:

jamieduff1981 said:

A high performance car will become noticeably skittish in winter on its summer tyres.

A high performance car's handling will become noticeably less sharp in any season on winters. Better put up with adjusting to the conditions and driver skill than too-soft rubber that blunts the handling.

[sly fox]

popeyewhite said:

A high performance car's handling will become noticeably less sharp in any season on winters. Better put up with adjusting to the conditions and driver skill than too-soft rubber that blunts the handling.

Quite the daftest post on here in a long time!

The internet eh? Where everyone has an opinion and many people disengage their brain before typing.

[SuperchargedVR6]

alock said:

bertie said:

Unless it's to tell us all we're wrong.

The title of the thread is 'Winter tyres' and hence it's just as suitable for people to question why they should potentially waste money on them as it is for people to talk about the benefits.

Confirmation bias is very prevalent in social media and leads to huge numbers of people thinking that their way of thinking is the one true way. Having your ideas challenged is healthy and should lead to both parties learning something.

Which is fine as long as it's genuine queries and not attempting to prod the Hornet's nest.

Healthy and learning something you say? Hmmmmm. I find social media is full of narcissistic, biased individuals who resort to insults when someone challenges their way of thinking. They are just too stupid and too narrow minded to ever think differently.
Join a few enthusiast motoring groups on FecesBook and see for yourself

And back on topic, I threw my winters on a few weeks back and they bloody useless when pressing on above 5 degrees C, but it's good fun and I love it Zero and below, they are very useful indeed!

[Mr2Mike]

sly fox said:

Quite the daftest post on here in a long time!

In what way? Do you believe winter tyres perform equally as well as UHP summer tyres in warm, dry conditions?

[popeyewhite]

jamieduff1981 said:

Lost me there.

[popeyewhite]

sly fox said:

Quite the daftest post on here in a long time!

The internet eh? Where everyone has an opinion and many people disengage their brain before typing.

The irony. You've disengaged from good manners as well.

[popeyewhite]

Mr2Mike said:

sly fox said:

Quite the daftest post on here in a long time!

In what way? Do you believe winter tyres perform equally as well as UHP summer tyres in warm, dry conditions?

I'm not sure why challenging the orthodoxy onthis thread provokes people so, but there's plenty of evidence to show winters on a performance car blunt the handling in both summer and winter.

[Jimmy Recard]

I think I might have helped ensure a warm weekend!

On the 16" wheels it rides a lot better and it's a lot quieter than it was on the 18" OEM Ronal alloys, grip aside.

[jamieduff1981]

popeyewhite said:

Mr2Mike said:

sly fox said:

Quite the daftest post on here in a long time!

In what way? Do you believe winter tyres perform equally as well as UHP summer tyres in warm, dry conditions?

I'm not sure why challenging the orthodoxy onthis thread provokes people so, but there's plenty of evidence to show winters on a performance car blunt the handling in both summer and winter.

Of course they do - that's the whole bloody point!

In winter and cold temperature UHP summer tyre grip is almost binary. It's either gripping or its not. The lovely progressive breakaway characteristics people love in UHP summer tyres in summer go out the window. Hence why so many people with actual experience describe high performance cars on UHP tyres skittish in winter. They just suddenly break away, and at pretty low limits too.

Blunting the handling in winter is very desirable. Only a Grade A moron would try to capitalise on sharpness in temperatures approaching zero degrees on the road in such a car. Such tomfkery is absolutely certain to result in landing in a ditch.

The winter tyres not only offer higher grip in such conditions, but they restore some degree of progressiveness to a high performance car again, keeping them safely useable in conditions that would otherwise have them twitching and slipping all over the place.

We drove on MPSS all last winter in a 550ps RWD car with sharpish handling. It wasn't fun at all. It was borderline dangerous actually. I can assure you that from the position of actually owning the damn thing and sitting in the driving seat, the very last thing you want when tip toeing down an icy slope with a corner at the bottom is a sharp turn in when you get there.

[popeyewhite]

jamieduff1981 said:

Blunting the handling in winter is very desirable.

Not for many performance car owners it isn't. We still enjoy sharp handling, but just drive to the conditions. Which incidentally were incredibly mild last 'winter'. Are you this arrogant in your job or just when you don't have to deal with people face to face?