Accelera tyres, how bad are they?
Discussion
PositronicRay said:
As a young man I crashed a few cars (and motorbikes)at the time I never thought to blame the tyres. Perhaps less choice back then, or perhaps I was a crap driver.
Na tyres just weren't recognised as a suitable alternative for "I was driving too fast, not to the conditions." The more common reason now always seems to involve diesel so much so I am beggining to wonder if the real cost to UK haulage companies and the main reason that they struggle to be competitive is because apparently the average truck spills half it's tank of diesel on every roundabout exit.OP if you don't like the tyres but they have plenty of tread left on them you would be amazed how much people spend on second hand tyres on Ebay!!
I had Phi's all round when I bought my 159Ti (as with wal 45 on 19" alloys) and found them to be fine in the dry and OK in the wet but that stage in between the two conditions I found them to be a bit on the... erm... wobbly side shall we say. They didn't last long though as they quickly wore down to the legal limits and I slapped on a set of Nankang AS1's all round which, while still budgets, are better than the Accelera Phi's all round and only cost a couple of quid more (in my defence I'd only had the car three months and didn't want a £600+ bill in the space of two weeks and couldn't secure a reliable supply of Vredestein Ultrac Vorti's).
Still... the 159 is a lardy old girl and I think any tyre would have issues hauling it around corners
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Still... the 159 is a lardy old girl and I think any tyre would have issues hauling it around corners
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aka_kerrly said:
OP if you don't like the tyres but they have plenty of tread left on them you would be amazed how much people spend on second hand tyres on Ebay!!
That is a good point, I sold a pair of part worn Avons on Ebay this summer for £60. That could strengthen the case for some new quality rubber...I bought a 2004 Audi Allroad two months ago - it had a pair of acceleras on the front and autogrips on the back.
The stopping distances were very noticably longer in the wet than I was expecting. Gave me a little scare a couple of times as they aquaplaned the car very easily - theyre just too hard to shift a lot of water.
They have masses of tread but i swapped them for 4x BF Goodrich all season tyres, which are very good.
If you factor in extra stopping distances etc and dont go mad they won't kill you. In an emergency though i'd want better tyre performance. depends on your budget and whether safety in the winter would play on your mind I guess......
The stopping distances were very noticably longer in the wet than I was expecting. Gave me a little scare a couple of times as they aquaplaned the car very easily - theyre just too hard to shift a lot of water.
They have masses of tread but i swapped them for 4x BF Goodrich all season tyres, which are very good.
If you factor in extra stopping distances etc and dont go mad they won't kill you. In an emergency though i'd want better tyre performance. depends on your budget and whether safety in the winter would play on your mind I guess......
Patrick Bateman said:
True. I'd be surprised if they felt any good though. Recently had the same experience with Kumhos I was intending to leave on the car then the roads got wet.
I'd have thought you'd be too busy returning videotapes and microwaving jellyfish to post on a motoring forum.Howard- said:
As is the norm with these threads, people seem to forget that a good quality tyre helps in other situations, not just when the driver is hooning it like a loon. You could be the most sensible driver in the world, and yet still have to perform an emergency stop when a child runs out in to the road in front of you. That's where the difference between s
t tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...
You could. A possible solution would be to drive everywhere at 5mph (or even 0.00001 mph)or insist that all cars are fitted with 19" carbon ceramic brakes just in case....t tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...In reality people make a risk assesment which can be summed up as follows; "Based on how I drive how likely is it that I am going to need the extra grip a premium tyre provides over a standard or budget tyre?". A lot of people don't actually need the extra grip.
Countdown said:
Howard- said:
As is the norm with these threads, people seem to forget that a good quality tyre helps in other situations, not just when the driver is hooning it like a loon. You could be the most sensible driver in the world, and yet still have to perform an emergency stop when a child runs out in to the road in front of you. That's where the difference between st tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...
You could. A possible solution would be to drive everywhere at 5mph (or even 0.00001 mph)or insist that all cars are fitted with 19" carbon ceramic brakes just in case....t tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...In reality people make a risk assesment which can be summed up as follows; "Based on how I drive how likely is it that I am going to need the extra grip a premium tyre provides over a standard or budget tyre?". A lot of people don't actually need the extra grip.
Even so, "better tyres" would sometimes falsely enhance the currently widespread mindset that my superior gismos will keep me safe. All too prevalent now. Thus with more confidence in my superior tyres I will be travelling rather faster, maybe even much to fast when I need to make that emergency stop.
There again I could easily blame diesel spills, black ice or ditchfinder tyres..... or, the quality of the nut holding the steering wheel ...
It's many years now since I've seen diesel fuel spilling out of a Van's Filler Tube on a roundabout. I notice that during the MoT, the tester thoroughly checks the fitment of the fuel filler and the surrounding area. I suspect that is the reason nothing seen for all that time.
I had this brand on a car when I bought it and couldn't wear them out - the compound must have been so hard! I just replaced them and was glad to have something that I thought was more reassuring for the family wagon.
In OPs case I'd guess a decent set if rubber is easily justified and probably affordable...
In OPs case I'd guess a decent set if rubber is easily justified and probably affordable...
MGJohn said:
Countdown said:
Howard- said:
As is the norm with these threads, people seem to forget that a good quality tyre helps in other situations, not just when the driver is hooning it like a loon. You could be the most sensible driver in the world, and yet still have to perform an emergency stop when a child runs out in to the road in front of you. That's where the difference between st tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...
You could. A possible solution would be to drive everywhere at 5mph (or even 0.00001 mph)or insist that all cars are fitted with 19" carbon ceramic brakes just in case....t tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...In reality people make a risk assesment which can be summed up as follows; "Based on how I drive how likely is it that I am going to need the extra grip a premium tyre provides over a standard or budget tyre?". A lot of people don't actually need the extra grip.
Even so, "better tyres" would sometimes falsely enhance the currently widespread mindset that my superior gismos will keep me safe. All too prevalent now. Thus with more confidence in my superior tyres I will be travelling rather faster, maybe even much to fast when I need to make that emergency stop.
There again I could easily blame diesel spills, black ice or ditchfinder tyres..... or, the quality of the nut holding the steering wheel ...
It's many years now since I've seen diesel fuel spilling out of a Van's Filler Tube on a roundabout. I notice that during the MoT, the tester thoroughly checks the fitment of the fuel filler and the surrounding area. I suspect that is the reason nothing seen for all that time.
MGJohn said:
Too right. The quality of the nut holding the steering wheel will always have the final say ..
I have had newish Accelera on used cars bought in the past. Never heard of them before then. Not exceptional but, OK in all conditions except for poor quality nuts holding the steering wheel.
Sorry John, but this argument only works if you can control the behaviour of other road users and/or predict the future. You can mitigate the poor driving of others to an extent, but there are many possible scenarios where you could require emergency braking/steering and this is exactly when a crap tyre will let you down.I have had newish Accelera on used cars bought in the past. Never heard of them before then. Not exceptional but, OK in all conditions except for poor quality nuts holding the steering wheel.
Mr2Mike said:
Sorry John, but this argument only works if you can control the behaviour of other road users and/or predict the future. You can mitigate the poor driving of others to an extent, but there are many possible scenarios where you could require emergency braking/steering and this is exactly when a crap tyre will let you down.
My point entirely.007 VXR said:
MGJohn said:
Countdown said:
Howard- said:
As is the norm with these threads, people seem to forget that a good quality tyre helps in other situations, not just when the driver is hooning it like a loon. You could be the most sensible driver in the world, and yet still have to perform an emergency stop when a child runs out in to the road in front of you. That's where the difference between st tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...
You could. A possible solution would be to drive everywhere at 5mph (or even 0.00001 mph)or insist that all cars are fitted with 19" carbon ceramic brakes just in case....t tyres and good tyres tends to become a bit more relevant...In reality people make a risk assesment which can be summed up as follows; "Based on how I drive how likely is it that I am going to need the extra grip a premium tyre provides over a standard or budget tyre?". A lot of people don't actually need the extra grip.
Even so, "better tyres" would sometimes falsely enhance the currently widespread mindset that my superior gismos will keep me safe. All too prevalent now. Thus with more confidence in my superior tyres I will be travelling rather faster, maybe even much to fast when I need to make that emergency stop.
There again I could easily blame diesel spills, black ice or ditchfinder tyres..... or, the quality of the nut holding the steering wheel ...
It's many years now since I've seen diesel fuel spilling out of a Van's Filler Tube on a roundabout. I notice that during the MoT, the tester thoroughly checks the fitment of the fuel filler and the surrounding area. I suspect that is the reason nothing seen for all that time.
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PlayersNo6 said:
Budget tyres made in Indonesia not China.
EP Tyres factory (who make the Accelera brand) used to make tyres for Continental (hence the very obvious similarity in the design of certain Accelera and Continental tyres), but had a falling out with the Germans over many things including the wholesale cost of rubber (a large percentage of the rubber used to manufacture tyres in Europe by the brands we all know comes from Indonesian plantations). Ever since then Continental have been conducting a not-too-subtle campaign to try and discredit EP's products. A bit like the relationship between Intel and AMD!I see however that as usual this thread has turned into the 'every tyre that is not of the brands I like and recognise are crap' format.
Edited by r11co on Friday 26th December 08:17
I have a set on the passat I use to chuck miles on for work.
They really are poor when driving in a spirited fashion or when it's wet.
I don't know how the name of the tyre but I won't bother buying them again. In heavy rain when you want to stop it does take considerably longer than a premium tyre would.
They really are poor when driving in a spirited fashion or when it's wet.
I don't know how the name of the tyre but I won't bother buying them again. In heavy rain when you want to stop it does take considerably longer than a premium tyre would.
JimmyConwayNW said:
I don't know how the name of the tyre..........
Delete your post then as it has nothing to do with the question being asked in the thread. Or, just leave it there as another random meaningless assertion like the thousands of others just like it in PH.
Edited by r11co on Friday 26th December 09:04
JimmyConwayNW said:
I have a set on the passat I use to chuck miles on for work.
They really are poor when driving in a spirited fashion or when it's wet.
I don't know how the name of the tyre but I won't bother buying them again. In heavy rain when you want to stop it does take considerably longer than a premium tyre would.
Would that mean that your tyres are "locking up" or your ABS is kicking in a lot earlier?They really are poor when driving in a spirited fashion or when it's wet.
I don't know how the name of the tyre but I won't bother buying them again. In heavy rain when you want to stop it does take considerably longer than a premium tyre would.
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