Davanti Tyres

[Silent1]

r11co said:

Silent1 said:

But we can empirically prove Chinese tyres are crap.

So you are saying there is a causal link between tyres being manufactured in China and them being crap?

For domestic Chinese brands yes, for foreign manufacturers who are overseeing manufacture in China then you can usually assume they will be of comparable quality to their tyres produced elsewhere.

[TooMany2cvs]

Anyway, back to the OP's actual requirement...

ljw2k said:

My sizes are :

275-35x19 - Back
245-40x19 - Front

Total cost just under £400 for all 4 fitted and balanced.

Rears...
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m55b0s338p0/

Fronts...
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m55b0s326p0/

Fronts - pair of Kumhos for £95 each, or Vredes/Uniroyals/Coopers for £110 each.
Rears - Falken or Toyo for £110-115 each.

So maybe £450 for a set of four brands you've actually heard of.

Yes, that's a bare price - but if you can't get your tyre guy close to that, then it's time to find a different tyre guy.

[r11co]

TooMany2cvs said:

r11co said:

Silent1 said:

But we can empirically prove Chinese tyres are crap.

So you are saying there is a causal link between tyres being manufactured in China and them being crap?

No, but there IS a whole raft of both evidence and direct experience that the vast, vast, vast majority of importer's own-brand contract-produced Far Eastern tyres are crap.

Yes, yes, and I alluded to all of that in my first post. There isn't the level of evidence you assert. There may however be lots of hyperbole (see above), repeated anecdotes, generalisations etc.

TooMany2cvs said:

So why are these the ones that buck the trend...? There is no evidence that they're anything different.

The point I made was that there is no evidence either way, but there will be those who will dismiss them out of hand based on hyperbole (see above), repeated anecdotes, generalisations etc. I said that in the absence of any information regarding the specific tyres what one should do is establish if they come from a manufacturer with known provenance with other brands/products and use that as a guide.

When I established Davanti were being manufactured by Sentury I gave details of other brands they produce and refrained from giving any opinion on them because I am not in a position to give my own objective opinion. As it was, somebody else helpfully posted a link to a test where one of their products (a Landsail tyre) did relatively well.

I've always kept an open mind on these things, as everyone should. As I said - I can remember when these arguments were applied to Japanese and then Korean tyres. Unfortunately we didn't have the web back then, but with most of these posts you could just search and replace China for Japan and the brand in question with Yokohama/Bridgestone/Toyo, or Korea and Kumho/Hankook/Nexen for a historical snapshot.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 24th January 11:48

[r11co]

Silent1 said:

r11co said:

Silent1 said:

But we can empirically prove Chinese tyres are crap.

So you are saying there is a causal link between tyres being manufactured in China and them being crap?

For domestic Chinese brands yes, for foreign manufacturers who are overseeing manufacture in China then you can usually assume they will be of comparable quality to their tyres produced elsewhere.

So you aren't saying there is a causal link between Chinese tyre manufacture and crapness then?

[j4ckos mate]

Leave your towing hook screwed in for the recovery van

Good bed good shoes good tyres

Personally I try to get the best A wet rated main stream top three or four makes that I can
Second thing I look for on a used car.
Says ran on the cheap

[Funkstar De Luxe]

ljw2k said:

I would usually only put branded tyres on my car always have done. When I need tyres I usually always look on tyre review sites to see what's best and looking at http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Davanti/DX640.ht... on paper they looked pretty good hence why I made the post here asking for advise.

That's based on one review - and it's likely your own. :-|

[r11co]

Funkstar De Luxe said:

ljw2k said:

I would usually only put branded tyres on my car always have done. When I need tyres I usually always look on tyre review sites to see what's best and looking at http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Davanti/DX640.ht... on paper they looked pretty good hence why I made the post here asking for advise.

That's based on one review - and it's likely your own. :-

ljw2k said:

My sizes are :

275-35x19 - Back
245-40x19 - Front

The review says the tyres were run on a Mazda 6, so I'm thinking probably not.

TBH I probably wouldn't buy purely on the strength of one personal review either, but the insinuation is unhelpful and without basis.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 24th January 12:00

[832ark]

£440 would get you a set of Kumho KU39s which is maybe not up to the same standard as a Michelin but it would be a no brainier when compared to some no name ditchfinders.

[r11co]

832ark said:

£440 would get you a set of Kumho KU39s

Good advice. Factual, helpful, let's the OP and other readers decide objectively.

832ark said:

when compared to some no name ditchfinders.

Strong words. As you saying Davanti are ditchfinders? If so, where are you getting that information from? Proof either way would be invaluable.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 24th January 12:15

[Nersha]

r11co said:

Strong words. As you saying Davanti are ditchfinders? If so, where are you getting that information from? Proof either way would be invaluable.

There's only 1 review on tyrereviews.co.uk. Everyone else who used them are dead.

[r11co]

Nersha said:

There's only 1 review on tyrereviews.co.uk. Everyone else who used them are dead.

We'll know for sure when the class-action lawsuit begins them.

Actually - there's a thought. How many people in here still trust brands of vehicles where safety recalls have been made following a fatality....?!

[Theophany]

r11co said:

We'll know for sure when the class-action lawsuit begins them.

Actually - there's a thought. How many people in here still trust brands of vehicles where safety recalls have been made following a fatality....?!

Perversely, you could argue that manufacturers who issue recalls may be safer brands, if Gladwell is to be believed. Would suggest that they acknowledge and rectify faults, rather than take their chances. Recalls aren't cheap, after all.

[paulwoof]

I must say there factory looks most impressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4xfUsoVgFI

Makes you wonder how with such advanced equipment that a company I have never heard of has, How come there is still a huge gulf between cheap and "big" brands.

[Bonefish Blues]

Because R&D?

[Condi]

paulwoof said:

I must say there factory looks most impressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4xfUsoVgFI

Makes you wonder how with such advanced equipment that a company I have never heard of has, How come there is still a huge gulf between cheap and "big" brands.

RnD, and you pay for a brand. Also, that factory might produce tyres for different companies, so the cost is spread over differing brands and types of tyre.



If I can relate it to something we can all relate to, there is a company which produces bread in the UK, called Fine Lady Bakeries - you've never heard of it, but I bet you've eaten their products. They make Own Label bread for everyone from Waitrose to Tesco Value ranges. It all comes off the same line, and goes through basically the same process. The ingredients, packaging and process might be slightly different, but the basic materials - flour, water, yeast - are the same whether you buy Waitrose or Tesco Value. Imagine that is a Chinese company making lots of tyres. The Waitrose tyres will have better quality flour, more additives, and better packaging/marketing, but its just as edible as the Tesco Value range. However, Warburtons, for example, make all their own stuff in house. They use premium ingredients, spend a lot of money on RnD to develop new breads, and are constantly upgrading their production lines as needed.

So, as a consumer, do you buy Tesco Value, Waitrose, or Warburtons? They all do the same job, basically, but are all very different eating experiences... Its exactly the same with tyres! Unknown Chinese brand, Chinese brand owned by big name maker, or well known brand which spends a lot on RnD and advertising. At the end of the day, its a personal choice. Nobody is 'wrong' for buying the cheap bread, and nobody is 'wrong' for paying for top of the range stuff either. It comes down to personal choice and personal spending priorities, but you cant expect top of the range quality from a Chinese manufacturer which doesnt spend on RnD, and is aiming a the lowest price point.

Edited by Condi on Sunday 24th January 13:01

[r11co]

Bonefish Blues said:

Because R&D?

That's the argument that is usually made, but the reality is that tyre technology is a bit like garment technology or washing powder technology - they have been developing for so long that everyone knows what goes into making them, and with the right manufacturing techniques and the right combinations of raw materials just about anyone can produce the full gamut of products from crap, through inadequate to premium just by changing the appropriate parameters.

Even Michelin can and do produce brick hard, teflon tyres with low grip and high wear resistance - they market them positively as eco tyres!

The established manufacturers have their 'roadmaps', rolling out tweaks to their premium products and then filtering them down.

I'm not saying every tyre manufacturer is equal, but it is perfectly possible for a big player in China to replicate what is going on elsewhere in the world. Geography has nothing to do with (especially considering most of the raw materials for tyres produced the world over is now sourced from the far east).

paulwoof said:

I must say there factory looks most impressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4xfUsoVgFI

That video should explode a few preconceptions.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 24th January 13:14

[TooMany2cvs]

r11co said:

but the reality is that tyre technology is a bit like garment technology or washing powder technology - they have been developing for so long that everyone knows what goes into making them

Gawd almighty.

[Bonefish Blues]

r11co said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Because R&D?

That's the argument that is usually made, but the reality is that tyre technology is a bit like garment technology or washing powder technology - they have been developing for so long that everyone knows what goes into making them, and with the right manufacturing techniques and the right combinations of raw materials just about anyone can produce the full gamut of products from crap, through inadequate to premium just by changing the appropriate parameters.

Even Michelin can and do produce brick hard, teflon tyres with low grip and high wear resistance - they market them positively as eco tyres!

The established manufacturers have their 'roadmaps', rolling out tweaks to their premium products and then filtering them down.

I'm not saying every tyre manufacturer is equal, but it is perfectly possible for a big player in China to replicate what is going on elsewhere in the world. Geography has nothing to do with (especially considering most of the raw materials for tyres produced the world over is now sourced from the far east).

Oh.

[HustleRussell]

r11co said:

That's the argument that is usually made, but the reality is that tyre technology is a bit like garment technology or washing powder technology - they have been developing for so long that everyone knows what goes into making them, and with the right manufacturing techniques and the right combinations of raw materials just about anyone can produce the full gamut of products from crap, through inadequate to premium just by changing the appropriate parameters.

Do you really believe that?

[Bonefish Blues]

HustleRussell said:

r11co said:

That's the argument that is usually made, but the reality is that tyre technology is a bit like garment technology or washing powder technology - they have been developing for so long that everyone knows what goes into making them, and with the right manufacturing techniques and the right combinations of raw materials just about anyone can produce the full gamut of products from crap, through inadequate to premium just by changing the appropriate parameters.

Do you really believe that?

I'm sure he will be able to evidence it, given his keenness to be evidence-based in all matters.