Issue changing rear brake pads

Issue changing rear brake pads

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Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Changed brake pads a few times over e years (not this car though, 07 Lexus GS300) but i can't see how to extend out the calliper. Managed to compress in the piston OK but could not retract the calliper so effectively could only put new pad on one side of disc, the pther side I could inly put in the worn pad, too small a gap to put in new pad. Handbrake off, undid bleed nipple, top off fluid reservoir but could not retract back calliper.

Any ideas? For. Kw I have put old pads all back on to tackle another day (or pay someone biggrin)

finlo

3,751 posts

203 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Did you try winding the piston back?

Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Yes, that wound back OK.

Essentially the calliper isn't "floating" as such.

carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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What type of caliper is it?

Does it run on slider pins with a piston on one side?

Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Slider pin I think, there's a piston on the inner side only.

Dracoro

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245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Had I more time today, I would have tried the other rear to see if that slides as expected, this would point to an issue with the calliper?

carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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What car is it?

Once the piston is pushed all the way in there should be enough room for both of the pads over the disc.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Seized slider pins?

Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Lexus GS300, 2007 model.

carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Did you check for movement in the slider pins?

Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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There are two pins that hold the pads in. They came out OK once the retaining springs removed.

the top bolt (top right of your pic) undos, but the bottom one (top left of your pic) was stiff (but cannot unbolt it as it's just a hinge) and cannot "slide it" it in/out.



the rear callipers were mew from Lexus about 3 years (27k miles) ago. Would they sieze in that tiime?

carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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It looks like the hinged pin can be undone with a screwdriver, or even just pulled out. If this isn't moving then you have an issue.

tapkaJohnD

1,939 posts

204 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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You need to compress the piston AND turn it (screw it in).
A G-clamp and a pair or water pump pliers do it, but either you need to keep tightening the clam, or get someone else to do it as you turn.
John

Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Only just spotted that screw on the hinge pin, couldn't see that with the calliper in place.

If I can slide the pin out, I will grease it - copper or normal?

carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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Silicone based I believe.

E-bmw

9,199 posts

152 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Sorry to say this, but I think you need to take it somewhere to have them done, I REALLY wouldn't want someone changing brake pads etc on a car who doesn't know what they are doing.

The only other way is to buy a manual & read up on the job before starting to see if you are happy to try it, then look at the job on the car to see if you have the right tools and are still happy to try it. Then & only then should you attempt it but be ready to drop it again if things aren't as planned.

We cannot see/feel what you are coming across & with the best will in the world may give completely incorrect/unsafe advice because of this.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Both pins should slide freely, you need to know if one is seized, and if it is free it off and lubricate it with copper or HMP grease to keep it free. You have a sliding caliper design, if it doesn't slide freely your brake will drag.

Dracoro

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8,681 posts

245 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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E-bmw - i have done this task (on previous cars) many times without issue, however none of them had siezed pins so I posted this thread in case there was a peculiarity that I wasn't aware of or something that I missed.

I also checked some youtube vids and I did all the steps correctly but it's now clear what tye issue is.

As stated this was an issue with thr floating caliper and not the piston which retracted no problem.

E-bmw

9,199 posts

152 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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A simple seized pin is an obvious issue that anyone with a reasonable amount of mechanical experience/knowledge would not need to go to the interwebz to find a solution to, I am sorry but I stand my original statement.

If you are going to do work on your brakes on your over 1 tonne of metal capable of approaching 150mph, and wiping out a bus queue of 20 people when your brakes fail, you REALLY need to take it to somewhere that knows what they are doing.

lexusboy

1,099 posts

143 months

Tuesday 21st June 2016
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Those calipers are prone to seizing on the lower slide pin.