How would I go about increasing track without wide tires?
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I assume to do it without destroying your wheel bearings and hub you don't use spacers and instead get or fabricate extended wishbones. Where can I get extended wishbones? I want to create a rally car with an increased track. I cant use wheels with that offset to get the wheel out as that means the tire is wider and no good on gravel. What else needs modifying to get the track out? Struts?
tangowhisky77 said:
I assume to do it without destroying your wheel bearings and hub you don't use spacers and instead get or fabricate extended wishbones. Where can I get extended wishbones? I want to create a rally car with an increased track. I cant use wheels with that offset to get the wheel out as that means the tire is wider and no good on gravel. What else needs modifying to get the track out? Struts?
WTF ?Is whatever car you're using prone to destroying wheel bearings ?
And how will wheels with a different offset suddenly make the tyre wider ? Tyres will only get wider if you fit wider tyres.
And trying to modify suspension arms to achieve wider track is probably about the most expensive/difficult way you could possibly choose
stevieturbo said:
WTF ?
Is whatever car you're using prone to destroying wheel bearings ?
And how will wheels with a different offset suddenly make the tyre wider ? Tyres will only get wider if you fit wider tyres.
And trying to modify suspension arms to achieve wider track is probably about the most expensive/difficult way you could possibly choose
All you have done there is attack me. I asked a question and all I got in response was that and no actual answer to my question. High hopes for this website... This isn't for some street car, this question was for a performace rally car. Spacers wont do the wheel bearings any good at all and neither will thin wheels with negative offset as it will have the exact same effect and will have that levering action putting a lot of stress on the bearings. And i dont get what you mean when you said tires only get wider if you fit wide ones. Ok have fun putting thin gravel rally tires on a very wide wheel. I dont want stretched tires at all...Is whatever car you're using prone to destroying wheel bearings ?
And how will wheels with a different offset suddenly make the tyre wider ? Tyres will only get wider if you fit wider tyres.
And trying to modify suspension arms to achieve wider track is probably about the most expensive/difficult way you could possibly choose
Edited by tangowhisky77 on Sunday 21st August 07:07
Edited by tangowhisky77 on Sunday 21st August 07:14
Rally cars only put thin wheels and tyres on for snow and put thicker lower profile wheels and tyres (slicks) on for Tarmac
Most rally cars are stuck with the original mounting points to work with
Different wheel of sets can be used but you won't get large changes in track.
To keep most of the original geometry with standard parts really only leave the option of moving and fabricating new mounting points.
If you increase rear track this way you'll affect Ackerman and probably still have the same problem if you also increase front track.
A lot of people will fit much wider wheels and tyres to cars and use offset to make them fit
If you fit wider wheels with the original offset you can add width either side of the original wheel centre line until the backspace is filled after this you change the offset to push the outer rim out leaving the back space the same.
If fitting thinner wheel/tyre combos the only reason to run a different offset is for looks, yes a thinner wheel/tyre combo will not fill the arches and if you look closely at rally cars you'll see this but they don't care about looks only performance
Most rally cars are stuck with the original mounting points to work with
Different wheel of sets can be used but you won't get large changes in track.
To keep most of the original geometry with standard parts really only leave the option of moving and fabricating new mounting points.
If you increase rear track this way you'll affect Ackerman and probably still have the same problem if you also increase front track.
A lot of people will fit much wider wheels and tyres to cars and use offset to make them fit
If you fit wider wheels with the original offset you can add width either side of the original wheel centre line until the backspace is filled after this you change the offset to push the outer rim out leaving the back space the same.
If fitting thinner wheel/tyre combos the only reason to run a different offset is for looks, yes a thinner wheel/tyre combo will not fill the arches and if you look closely at rally cars you'll see this but they don't care about looks only performance
PaulKemp said:
Rally cars only put thin wheels and tyres on for snow and put thicker lower profile wheels and tyres (slicks) on for Tarmac
Most rally cars are stuck with the original mounting points to work with
Different wheel of sets can be used but you won't get large changes in track.
To keep most of the original geometry with standard parts really only leave the option of moving and fabricating new mounting points.
If you increase rear track this way you'll affect Ackerman and probably still have the same problem if you also increase front track.
A lot of people will fit much wider wheels and tyres to cars and use offset to make them fit
If you fit wider wheels with the original offset you can add width either side of the original wheel centre line until the backspace is filled after this you change the offset to push the outer rim out leaving the back space the same.
If fitting thinner wheel/tyre combos the only reason to run a different offset is for looks, yes a thinner wheel/tyre combo will not fill the arches and if you look closely at rally cars you'll see this but they don't care about looks only performance
Ok fair do's. Thats the problem I thought of. Cant get a good mix of thin wheels for gravel and offset for wider track. However WRC cars, WRC2 cars a lot of rally kit cars ect have wheels that will fill most of the arches even though they are in gravel spec. But i get that the WRC teams have a lot of engineers to fabricate all this for them in a workshop ha. Looks are a small part of it but the reason why i want to do it is to make the car handle more speed through corners. If its not possible then fair enough but i have seen people who have extended their wishbones on a track car.Most rally cars are stuck with the original mounting points to work with
Different wheel of sets can be used but you won't get large changes in track.
To keep most of the original geometry with standard parts really only leave the option of moving and fabricating new mounting points.
If you increase rear track this way you'll affect Ackerman and probably still have the same problem if you also increase front track.
A lot of people will fit much wider wheels and tyres to cars and use offset to make them fit
If you fit wider wheels with the original offset you can add width either side of the original wheel centre line until the backspace is filled after this you change the offset to push the outer rim out leaving the back space the same.
If fitting thinner wheel/tyre combos the only reason to run a different offset is for looks, yes a thinner wheel/tyre combo will not fill the arches and if you look closely at rally cars you'll see this but they don't care about looks only performance
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