Mk7 Golf GTI - severe scoring of rear discs

Mk7 Golf GTI - severe scoring of rear discs

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The Wookie

13,965 posts

229 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Didn't OP reckon the pads were thin after only 20k? Or was that just his mates supposition

sidgolf

163 posts

191 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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thats surface rust without a doubt. chances are the reverse face is in a worse state.

i had the same on my mk2 golf,simply by not using the brakes enough.

it is still in the early stages and can be got rid of in short order by using brakes more,or what i did was apply handbrake lightly,for a short distance,at high speed,say when leaving the motorway- obvs. when no-one else is around.

nickfrog

21,204 posts

218 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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I think it's an electrically actuated handbrake so no modulation possible...

VGTICE

1,003 posts

88 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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OP same thing happened to me, it was a BMW. A friend of mine had the same happen to his BMW. Both of us had M brakes. BMW's default response was new pads and discs, neither covered by warranty (a joke one a 1 year old car). I had them redone but they weren't 100% afterwards. Mate went for a new set on 4 corners, it'd cost him over 1000 quid in total.

After a bit of research it looks like this is due to discs now being more ecologically friendly (same as paint being based on water mixed with st and panels being paper thin). I'd say this is a cover up for manufacturer's greed.

Sheepshanks

32,812 posts

120 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Top pup said:
That isn't scoring, that's a layer of surface rust on the discs, the scores are where the rust is just starting to clear up. They would skim up a treat.
I think once the rust sets in it rubs the corresponding part of the pad away so the pad is only contacting shiny parts of the disc. The rust bands gradually get wider, as has happened on the edge of the disc shown.

OPs car isn't very old but I wonder whether lack of servicing of brakes these days is responsible - I asked both a dealer and an indie about stripping and cleaning brakes on my Merc and neither would do it. I wished I'd tried getting them skimmed as the pads were reported as only 10% worn, although presumably you're supposed to fit new pads after skimming anyway.

Maxym

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2,061 posts

237 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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CrutyRammers said:
If you really think that, then you shouldn't be driving on them.
But they're not. The discs look virtually untouched, wear-wise, and that scoring is a fraction of a mm deep. The brakes won't even notice. I'd do some hard stops and if it's fine, not worry about it, personally.
I meant, to polish them up. Braking performance is just great.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Maxym said:
The wheels and calipers aren't always that dirty, honest... Car last used three days before pics taken.
Do you really clean your brake calipers? Is this 'problem' merely cosmetic?

Top pup

308 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Sheepshanks said:
Top pup said:
That isn't scoring, that's a layer of surface rust on the discs, the scores are where the rust is just starting to clear up. They would skim up a treat.
I think once the rust sets in it rubs the corresponding part of the pad away so the pad is only contacting shiny parts of the disc. The rust bands gradually get wider, as has happened on the edge of the disc shown.

OPs car isn't very old but I wonder whether lack of servicing of brakes these days is responsible - I asked both a dealer and an indie about stripping and cleaning brakes on my Merc and neither would do it. I wished I'd tried getting them skimmed as the pads were reported as only 10% worn, although presumably you're supposed to fit new pads after skimming anyway.
Yes exactly what happens, the rust wears away the pad so that part of the disc no longer gets cleaned up by the pad. However in the OPs picture the shiny parts aren't clear of rust yet, merely the rust is polished up hence the black colour.

The problem seems to be the larger brakes fitted to modern cars, higher iron content in the discs, and a lack of heavy braking.

Klippie

3,171 posts

146 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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As has been mentioned the Fabia VRS rear discs did this mine were very similar to your picture, get a couple of hefty mates to sit in the back to make the rear brakes work and do some hard braking stops that will soon clear them up or put something heavy in the boot for a few days.

RBH58

969 posts

136 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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I don't know about the scoring, but it's not unusual for high performance FWDs to go through rear brakes first. The ESP uses them (individually) much more than you think to aid turn in and minimise understeer. My Megane RS250 Cup needed rear pads 10,000kms before fronts. It has nothing to do with Brake bias

Howitzer

2,835 posts

217 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Maxym said:
I meant, to polish them up. Braking performance is just great.
Do you regularly use the quick roadside car washes ?

A works van was washed and then put away for a few weeks and the plastic wheel cap started to turn white and the brake pad edges all started crumbling.

The damage to the plastic was shaped like liquid runs, if your rear brakes don't get ,ugh use, which sounds right then this may be part of it ?

The floors of the ones near me in Peterborough are ruined, at Homebase the concrete is all dissolved and only the pebbles remain.

Dave!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Top pup said:
That isn't scoring, that's a layer of surface rust on the discs, the scores are where the rust is just starting to clear up. They would skim up a treat.
How much is skimming cost?
How much is brand new discs?

nickfrog

21,204 posts

218 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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How much is giving the brakes a bloody good work out ?

Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 2nd March 08:54

Maxym

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2,061 posts

237 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Howitzer said:
Do you regularly use the quick roadside car washes ?

Dave!
Never. Car only gets washed lovingly by me. biggrin

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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nickfrog said:
How much is giving the brakes a bloody good work out ?

Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 2nd March 08:54
If they are scored a hard workout will do nothing they will remain scored.


OP what is the disc thickness? Close to limit?

nickfrog

21,204 posts

218 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
If they are scored a hard workout will do nothing they will remain scored.
I don't believe they are scored but heavily glazed, hence the recommendation - feel free to read this very thread in between glasses of red. ;-)

OP, just try a bit of emery cloth and see what happens.

GTI1994

3 posts

86 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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I had this on my old 106 GTI and it was down to rust on the discs. Being the boy racer that I was though, I upgraded to brembos before this was an issue.

thebraketester

14,254 posts

139 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Honestly its not worth fking about with trying to sort out the parts you have on. Get some new discs and pads on it, they are cheap... especially if you buy them from SERE and fit them yourself.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Maxym said:
CrutyRammers said:
If you really think that, then you shouldn't be driving on them.
But they're not. The discs look virtually untouched, wear-wise, and that scoring is a fraction of a mm deep. The brakes won't even notice. I'd do some hard stops and if it's fine, not worry about it, personally.
I meant, to polish them up. Braking performance is just great.
Oh, right thumbup
Urrr, don't worry about it then?

Maxym

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2,061 posts

237 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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nickfrog said:
OP, just try a bit of emery cloth and see what happens.
I'm planning on having a rub/scrape.