Only just heard of sealant, why ever use wax again?

[EazyDuz]

Can someone explain why I should be applying wax every few weeks when I can get a product like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dodo-Juice-Future-Armour...

Which does this, I wouldn't even need to buy a separate rain repellent again either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlo-sQK00kM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jet0nt6vVzg

Supposedly lasts for months instead of weeks, and if you must you can apply wax on top of it.

What are the downsides?

[trickywoo]

It'll be a miracle if it does what it says it'll do.

I'm a big fan of quick detailer sprays and find sonax Xtreme to be the best I've used but this time of year a month is the very most you can expect it to keep working for. I apply it after the weekly wash, it's so quick. This will bead / sheet very nicely indeed and can be had for £10 - 750ml

[Warby80]

Personal preference plays a big part, some people like waxing often, others not so much. I have a ceramic/hybrid coating on my car, 18 months so far with pretty much just washes every 2 weeks and it is still there. On a car used every day i dont think there is a better way to protect them.

Something kept in a garage and only used at weekends etc, then i would use a wax as i prefer the look they leave.

[Tony Starks]

Why use that, when you can use a chemical & marr resistant coating like Max Protect UNC-R that'll last 2 or 3 years.

[EazyDuz]

Tony Starks said:

Why use that, when you can use a chemical & marr resistant coating like Max Protect UNC-R that'll last 2 or 3 years.

Because you cant remove that without sanding the panel, and you might want to remove it to clay or try another product within that time.

[Summit_Detailing]

Doubt you'll see 4 months durability from it in the real world.

Along the same lines Gyeon WetCoat would get my vote..4-6 weeks of water behaviour, maybe a little less at this time of year.

cheers

Chris

[Alex_225]

A good wax will last 6 months on two coats but sealants and coatings can last years. I have a coat of Britemax Extreme Elements on my E Class and two coats of Collinite wax. Seems to be holding up very well.

Some the coatings last even longer though. I like a wax for application and finish but for the sake or protection a sealant will last longer than most carnauba waxes.

[Tony Starks]

EazyDuz said:

Because you cant remove that without sanding the panel, and you might want to remove it to clay or try another product within that time.

And why cant you do that to a coating?

[Blue Mikey]

If you are having to re-apply wax "every few weeks" then either you're not applying it correctly or it's a poor quality wax.

I applied two coats of Dodo Supernatural Hybrid in September and the at still beads amazingly after a quick wash.

[EazyDuz]

Blue Mikey said:

If you are having to re-apply wax "every few weeks" then either you're not applying it correctly or it's a poor quality wax.

I applied two coats of Dodo Supernatural Hybrid in September and the at still beads amazingly after a quick wash.

In this harsh weather no caranuba wax will last more than a few weeks, usually a month, before performance decreases.

[Tony Starks]

Sadly, you couldn't be more wrong.

[Alex_225]

I did think that even the likes of Dodo Juice Supernatural would last more than a few weeks even in winter, even if it lasted half the usual 6 months you'd expect.

Also, a strongly mixed shampoo can strip waxes depending on what you use.

If you want real longevity though, why not seal a car and then give it a coat of wax. Then just top up with additional protection such as Gyeon Wetcoat after every second or third wash?

[scratcher_]

I have a nice natural carnauba wax on my car, it was applied late November and is still going strong.
There's no reason a bit of cold weather or road grime would degrade a wax in a few weeks.

[EazyDuz]

Tony Starks said:

Sadly, you couldn't be more wrong.

nope

[Tony Starks]

Alex_225 said:

I did think that even the likes of Dodo Juice Supernatural would last more than a few weeks even in winter, even if it lasted half the usual 6 months you'd expect.

Also, a strongly mixed shampoo can strip waxes depending on what you use.

If you want real longevity though, why not seal a car and then give it a coat of wax. Then just top up with additional protection such as Gyeon Wetcoat after every second or third wash?

People really should pay attention to recommended dilution rates. Not only will it save you money, it'll save you rewaxing once a week.

[Tony Starks]

EazyDuz said:

nope

Then you need to look at application techniques, I used to get months out of waxes. Now I have a coating I get years and can use a strong shampoo to bring it back if it gets clogged.

[EazyDuz]

Tony Starks said:

Then you need to look at application techniques, I used to get months out of waxes. Now I have a coating I get years and can use a strong shampoo to bring it back if it gets clogged.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?40105-Longevity-of-Carnauba-Wax#aUpP11i6MsGMPjX3.97

Unless you're using a synthetic wax, no normal wax lasts for months unless its summer with little to no rain. Absolutely no way you're getting years out of a natural wax, maybe you've just forgotten what properly protected paint looks like

[swisstoni]

Looked at the fancy stuff a couple of years ago (may have improved since) and if you didn't have a garage to do it in - forget it.
Long curing time, temperature sensitive, had to be kept dry for 24hrs and big hassle if you apply it wrong and had to remove.

Hope things have got better but the nearest I've got to the nano stuff is Gtechniq C2, which is dead easy.

[EazyDuz]

swisstoni said:

Looked at the fancy stuff a couple of years ago (may have improved since) and if you didn't have a garage to do it in - forget it.
Long curing time, temperature sensitive, had to be kept dry for 24hrs and big hassle if you apply it wrong and had to remove.

Hope things have got better but the nearest I've got to the nano stuff is Gtechniq C2, which is dead easy.

Look at Soft99 wax, thats my next wax. Its synthetic but the results are just incredible and a tin will last years.

[alabbasi]

Sealer seems to be just a fancy name for a synthetic wax. In general terms, they don't provide as deeper shine as cardnauba wax but they apply easy easier.
I now use a synthetic wax made by Sonax. My eyes can't tell the difference between it and a cardnauba wax but I do like that it takes very little effort to apply and won't leave white marks on rubber bits.

I don't know about the claim that either will last years, I guess it depends on the environment. In the Texas heat, you'll be lucky to get 5 years out of a factory paint job if your car sits outside all year round.