Boating in and around Sydney...

Boating in and around Sydney...

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robm3

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Friday 12th October 2012
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TAS1981 said:
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Had a look around boatsales.com.au and am now confused. Think I need to get the missus and go to a dealer to see some of these physically to get an idea of the size that's suit us.

btw, stamp duty payable on boats as well? This country can certainly tax!
No Stamp Duty on a boat but there is on the trailer? (TBC) For an example on rego these are our costs my co-owner mate just sent me...its due this month...this is for our newly bought 2nd hand boat.

BOAT - Transfer fee $28, rego approx. $117 – total $145
TRAILER - $30 transfer fee + 3% stamp duty (robbing gits) + approx. $150 for rego

Yep, go and see a dealer, Middle Harbour has Sydney Powerboat Centre which is a Four Winn dealer, they are pretty plush boats. They also have a used lot up in Mona Vale. Mark is the Sales Manager there, nice guy, we did not buy from him in the end but he was helpful.

Don't know about places to keep it round you. Loads of mooring spots but waiting lists are your issue.

Good luck!

PS Your username comes up as a swear word when I quote you...amusing!
The boat to the right of mine (mine is centre facing away) was brought 4 weeks ago from Sydney Powerboat centre, it's a brand new 19ft Four Winns Horizon. my mate paid $38k with v6 efi motor



I'd recommend this boat as a great starter boat but even better if you could get a few years older for 10k less.

As Tas says, take a trip to Mona Vale because there's three dealers on the same street so plenty to look at.


TAS1981

498 posts

204 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Rob, did you just chuck one bow anchor in there and let the boat swing? thinking of adding a stern anchor, nose in to the beach and throwing a bow anchor on the beach, so we can get in a bit closer and not have to virtually swim in! I know in most cases you can let most people off at the wharf, like at Chowder bay or Watsons bay....how do you do it?!

pikey

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283 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Thanks Rob and Tas. Might pop down this afternoon for a browse.

TAS1981

498 posts

204 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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No probs....looks like a no boat weekend this weekend. Boooooo!

Oh well, have some fiddling with the car to do!

robm3

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Friday 12th October 2012
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TAS1981 said:
Rob, did you just chuck one bow anchor in there and let the boat swing? thinking of adding a stern anchor, nose in to the beach and throwing a bow anchor on the beach, so we can get in a bit closer and not have to virtually swim in! I know in most cases you can let most people off at the wharf, like at Chowder bay or Watsons bay....how do you do it?!
I come in bow first and drop everyone off, then head about 25m out, drop my front anchor, throw it into reverse for a few secs and let the line out until I'm in around 4ft of water at rear (trim up), then tie off my 2nd anchor at rear cleat and wade it in. Because Watsons has a load of kids on the beach I plant the anchor a few feet out not on the beach.
Watch if you're tide is flowing or ebbing as that'll dictate if you need to come closer or further out. But I guess not such a problem if your boat is a little lighter (getting beached that is).

I've always run a stern anchor and done it this way as much easier, you don't get beached, bash Into wharves (while ferries honk impatiently at you) and your boat doesn't swing away from you...

That works for 90% of the beaches around Sydney Harbour. You get to learn all the quirks & toilet locations over the years;

Clontarf: easiest beach due to deep drop off plus playground, coffee shop & toilets
Clifton Gardens: As per above but watch tides AND loads of small rocks
Watsons Bay: fairly easy but strangely it gets a load of glass washing up on it (kiddies feet watch out).
Rose Bay: West End is a great little quiet spot, East end not so (sand bar)
Double Bay: toilets

Etc etc...

Loads to explore really. A month ago I went up to Hunters Hill and Lane Cove river for the first time (nice houses).

Anyhow, post photos up this seaon of your trips and locations....

robm3

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Friday 12th October 2012
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Rafting up at The Basin (great family spot) in Pittwater. Rafting is always good fun!


Feeding pelicans at The Entrance





Wife looking glam at The Basin



My brothers Maxum 18ft he got for $15k!! Nice starter boat too.



Jetski fun & dolphins right next to us




New wharve and boat ramp at Davidson Park, Middle Harbour (under Roseville Bridge). They've done a great job on this.


Classic shot of Four Winns 19ft



All these shots were taken in the last three weeks!


Edited by robm3 on Friday 12th October 12:47

robm3

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Friday 12th October 2012
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Thanks Rob and Tas. Might pop down this afternoon for a browse.
I live 5 minutes away in Avalon so drop me an email if you'd fancy another tyre kicker to come along with. 'work' from home too so around a bit next week.

Edited by robm3 on Friday 12th October 12:55

pikey

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Saturday 13th October 2012
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More great pics Rob! And thanks for the offer. smile

Went down yesterday to have a look and we sort of had "a bit" of scope creep and found a Riviera M400 to be rather appealing. Going back with the financial controller tomorrow.

thehawk

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206 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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If you would like a larger/more luxurious boat what are the shared ownership options like? Is this a good way to go?

I mean if you were looking at spending up to $30k on a smallish boat, would you get a much better experience going for 1/3 ownership in a $100k boat? Realise you have to share but with only 2 parties to share with this seems like getting enough time would not be a problem.

I mean, the below deal seems a pretty good option with virtually no hassle. (I know NZ based, sure Sydney has similar)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/motor...

pikey

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Sunday 14th October 2012
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Considering those options. We've figured out what we want (in terms of craft), but are now trying to figure out how much we'd use it and if such syndicates would be for us (ie. due to the restrictions on availability).

Hasbeen

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220 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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I'd be very careful of sharing ownership of a boat.

I owned yachts for 25 years, this is one anchored in the Solomon islands,


I also ran small commercial tourists boats in the Whitsundays, ranging from resort sky boats to 325 passenger high speed day trip cats, for about 10 years.

I have seen close hand the cost a skipper who has not much mechanical sympathy can add to the maintenance bill. This is not talking about a bad skipper, just one less kind to the machinery. I reckoned you should only hire 50+ year old skippers, with bad backs for smaller boats.

A friend running water taxis in the Whitsundays had a skipper destroy the both legs on a twin inboard/outboard 28 footer in 2 months, simply because he would give the thing full throttle before getting out of the shallow water at one jetty. The legs gave no trouble if the skipper idled just a few yards into about 30ft of water before opening it up.

With this experience I would never share the bills with any other operator.

I'm sure some can get lucky, & have the perfect experience with shared operation, but I'd never risk it. Just buy a boat you can afford, & treat it kindly for best results.

robm3

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Monday 15th October 2012
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Hasbeen, you're so right. My brother runs a marina/shipwrights in Sydney (larger boats) and the horror stories are endless. I'd never go into a syndicate.

Anyhow, great day today a little windy and choppy but no swell. Saw more whales offshore and ended up here in just opposite Palm beach in Ku-Ring-gai National Park (near West Head);




Edited to say the beach opposite is where they film Home & Away for all those Poms out there..

Edited by robm3 on Monday 15th October 12:31

Hasbeen

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Monday 15th October 2012
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Rob what is that gorgeous little yawl pictured in your profile?

robm3

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Tuesday 16th October 2012
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Hasbeen said:
Rob what is that gorgeous little yawl pictured in your profile?
Ah, my Father is a boat builder and that is actually a kit boat you can build yourself (although fair to say the hardest one to do). It's a model called Scintilla.

www.scruffie.com

I had a Shimmy 12ft I built myself when I was 19, great fun it was and hope my Dad is still fit enough churning the kits out for myself and my son to do in about 6 years.




robm3

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Tuesday 16th October 2012
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Considering those options. We've figured out what we want (in terms of craft), but are now trying to figure out how much we'd use it and if such syndicates would be for us (ie. due to the restrictions on availability).
Have a chat to these guy's

www.pacificboating.com.au

A work colleague is a member and he rates them as very good and he get's a few mid-week perks no problems. Cost seems high but I suspect if you just want to show visitors around and do some exploring yourself with some overnighters this could be a good option.






pikey

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Tuesday 16th October 2012
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Thanks Rob, I will.

Still trawling through options at the moment. The syndicate option came up due to our (estimated) usage of it, however so far I think they overvalue the vessel when selling shares (and that was before they've just offered 25% off), and the annual maintenance/insurance/berthing fee is more than it would be if it were privately arranged. Then there's the depreciation - we feel that the economy is heading in the wrong direction over here, which would certainly have a considerable effect on such a boat's value - so if it is right for us, hanging on a bit would save quite an amount and be the sensible thing to do.

TAS1981

498 posts

204 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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There are Syndicates and syndicates......going in with randoms for me would be a no.... but as I went in with a mate it seems to be working very well...we still have contracts, we are all responsible and we spend a lot of time on the boat together anyway!

robm3

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Sunday 21st October 2012
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Pulling up at Church Point, you can berth here and have lunch;



The boat in the background of Church Point cafe:



Was out at 7am this morning, dead calm, hardly any boats around and morning mist hanging over the city;






Saw this tied up, recognise it???





Edited by robm3 on Sunday 21st October 08:52

TAS1981

498 posts

204 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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Hey Rob, looks good! Good pointer about Church point, will check that out next time I set off from Ku-Ring-Gai.

Any recommendations on the harbour, have friends over from the uk next weekend and want to make sure I show off the bet the harbour has to offer? i guess beach, somewhere to moor for lunch and somewhere to bomb about a bit quiet where my non-licenced mate can have a go under my supervision without being hassled by the Marine Police....... that sort of thing.

Tom

robm3

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Monday 22nd October 2012
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TAS1981 said:
Hey Rob, looks good! Good pointer about Church point, will check that out next time I set off from Ku-Ring-Gai.

Any recommendations on the harbour, have friends over from the uk next weekend and want to make sure I show off the bet the harbour has to offer? i guess beach, somewhere to moor for lunch and somewhere to bomb about a bit quiet where my non-licenced mate can have a go under my supervision without being hassled by the Marine Police....... that sort of thing.

Tom
Do the 'Tourist Run' heading West along the North Shore "there's the Prime Minister's Residence" etc.. under the bridge, Darling Harbour, back out heading East, past Opera House, into Domain, around the Bays Double, Rose, Watson - lunch here? (and Pub is much cheaper than Doyles), acroos the Harbour Mouth, around North Head and it's Coves, into Manly, then hug coastline heading into Middle Harbour, past Clontarf (good for kids, mooring and Coffee), if you have time under Spit Bridge and into Sugarloaf Bay (good for Waterskiing around here) back out and home again.

Water Police and/or Maritime nearly always in these spots:

Around Spit Bridge - regulating 4 knot zone
At reef in Harbour mouth (inbetween Chowder Bay and Watsons) - checking Fishing Licenses
Darling Harbour - permanently there


Everywhere else your mate should be okay to have a crack at it.