Australia has killed my desire for fast cars
Discussion
A few things have come up in this thread...
RBTs - I think are a great thing, though somehow in the UK the drink-driving campaign managed to put a stigma onto drink-driving which made it totally uncool by the time I started driving in the late-80s. We need that stigma here too. I remember my dad driving after 6+ pints - couldn't think of doing anything like that.
Going fast on the motorway - its always a lottery, even in the UK, you need to be aware that they could be anywhere. Admittedly, VIC takes it to new lows by hiding in the central reservation, but if you're going to do 140+ in a country known for being harsh on speeding, then, really, what do you expect? When I was done for 125 on the Federal Highway, it changed how I drive on the freeway - I]m not saying its for the good, but I drive to make moderate progress, keep safe and keep my licence.
Cops on the motorway - on a recent trip to Goulburn I saw plenty of police on the road, no surprise. But what was surprising was that they were in the open, in plain sight - it took little additional observation to see them, and the speed past them was still around 115kmh but people were aware. This is similar to how the UK Mway police used to be in the 80/90s - they;d be in plain view, and you saw them and slowed down and traffic kept moving, drivers were reminded of the speed limit. Somehow it worked. If they start nicking people for tailgating, then I expect to see ice hockey on the Hades.
Having fun in a car can still be done, but the moment, and perhaps car, needs to be chosen more carefully.
RBTs - I think are a great thing, though somehow in the UK the drink-driving campaign managed to put a stigma onto drink-driving which made it totally uncool by the time I started driving in the late-80s. We need that stigma here too. I remember my dad driving after 6+ pints - couldn't think of doing anything like that.
Going fast on the motorway - its always a lottery, even in the UK, you need to be aware that they could be anywhere. Admittedly, VIC takes it to new lows by hiding in the central reservation, but if you're going to do 140+ in a country known for being harsh on speeding, then, really, what do you expect? When I was done for 125 on the Federal Highway, it changed how I drive on the freeway - I]m not saying its for the good, but I drive to make moderate progress, keep safe and keep my licence.
Cops on the motorway - on a recent trip to Goulburn I saw plenty of police on the road, no surprise. But what was surprising was that they were in the open, in plain sight - it took little additional observation to see them, and the speed past them was still around 115kmh but people were aware. This is similar to how the UK Mway police used to be in the 80/90s - they;d be in plain view, and you saw them and slowed down and traffic kept moving, drivers were reminded of the speed limit. Somehow it worked. If they start nicking people for tailgating, then I expect to see ice hockey on the Hades.
Having fun in a car can still be done, but the moment, and perhaps car, needs to be chosen more carefully.
Vicpol have started to park at the side of the Tulla/stylink in the mornings and afternoons in cars/bikes.
Result? Stop/start traffic for several kms, get to cop, pass cop, traffic starts to flow again!
The other day one was sat on a bike in the central reserve with his jacket and helmet off, playing with his phone!! By the time he got dressed whoever he was after would've been long gone!
Result? Stop/start traffic for several kms, get to cop, pass cop, traffic starts to flow again!
The other day one was sat on a bike in the central reserve with his jacket and helmet off, playing with his phone!! By the time he got dressed whoever he was after would've been long gone!
PomBstard said:
A few things have come up in this thread...
Cops on the motorway - on a recent trip to Goulburn I saw plenty of police on the road, no surprise. But what was surprising was that they were in the open, in plain sight - it took little additional observation to see them, and the speed past them was still around 115kmh but people were aware. This is similar to how the UK Mway police used to be in the 80/90s - they;d be in plain view, and you saw them and slowed down and traffic kept moving, drivers were reminded of the speed limit. Somehow it worked. If they start nicking people for tailgating, then I expect to see ice hockey on the Hades.
Having fun in a car can still be done, but the moment, and perhaps car, needs to be chosen more carefully.
Where do you think the NSW police academy is ???;)Cops on the motorway - on a recent trip to Goulburn I saw plenty of police on the road, no surprise. But what was surprising was that they were in the open, in plain sight - it took little additional observation to see them, and the speed past them was still around 115kmh but people were aware. This is similar to how the UK Mway police used to be in the 80/90s - they;d be in plain view, and you saw them and slowed down and traffic kept moving, drivers were reminded of the speed limit. Somehow it worked. If they start nicking people for tailgating, then I expect to see ice hockey on the Hades.
Having fun in a car can still be done, but the moment, and perhaps car, needs to be chosen more carefully.
suthol said:
PomBstard said:
A few things have come up in this thread...
Cops on the motorway - on a recent trip to Goulburn I saw plenty of police on the road, no surprise. But what was surprising was that they were in the open, in plain sight - it took little additional observation to see them, and the speed past them was still around 115kmh but people were aware. This is similar to how the UK Mway police used to be in the 80/90s - they;d be in plain view, and you saw them and slowed down and traffic kept moving, drivers were reminded of the speed limit. Somehow it worked. If they start nicking people for tailgating, then I expect to see ice hockey on the Hades.
Having fun in a car can still be done, but the moment, and perhaps car, needs to be chosen more carefully.
Where do you think the NSW police academy is ???;)Cops on the motorway - on a recent trip to Goulburn I saw plenty of police on the road, no surprise. But what was surprising was that they were in the open, in plain sight - it took little additional observation to see them, and the speed past them was still around 115kmh but people were aware. This is similar to how the UK Mway police used to be in the 80/90s - they;d be in plain view, and you saw them and slowed down and traffic kept moving, drivers were reminded of the speed limit. Somehow it worked. If they start nicking people for tailgating, then I expect to see ice hockey on the Hades.
Having fun in a car can still be done, but the moment, and perhaps car, needs to be chosen more carefully.
Azbo said:
...is also the cause of "hooning" in the suburbs because the laws are so strict and restrictive on the freeways that people go for a burn up in residential areas....people smash it though residential area's...Just look at all the tyre marks in housing estates, it says it all.
This is very true - I live in a quiet hilly area in central Sydney and I hear at least two or three cars or groups of cars hammering around every night. The collections of tyre markings show they're following the same route. custardtart said:
Agree its a great road. I cycle it every Sat from Waterfall so just be aware that you do get a lot of cyclists in the park from 6.30am which can ruin a fast blat I'm afraid. Also have seen cops in there at least once a month wasting our money again
Took Nemo for a bit of a play in the RNP yesterday, no speed limits were harmed in the making of this videoRNP 13/04/14
And previous weekend in a more suitable playground
FOSC R1 6/04/14 Wakefield Park
200bhp said:
The problem is never going to go away whilst there are drive-through bottle shops though. CLose the drive-throughs and the problem would halve overnight.
That is a statement of such myopic lunacy, I have decided against a reasoned response on the grounds that it is a waste of both of our time.Suffice to say, if I stop at Fleet services on the M3 in Hampshire for fuel and pick up a 4pack of Becks (beer for sale in a fuel station! On a motorway!) I dont knock any of them off on the way home at 98mph regardless of whether they are in the boot, on the passenger seat, in a cooled centre console or strapped to my thighs with gaffer tape so that they are within easy reach.
Reardy Mister said:
Suffice to say, if I stop at Fleet services on the M3 in Hampshire for fuel and pick up a 4pack of Becks (beer for sale in a fuel station! On a motorway!) I dont knock any of them off on the way home at 98mph regardless of whether they are in the boot, on the passenger seat, in a cooled centre console or strapped to my thighs with gaffer tape so that they are within easy reach.
Nah, you are better off using the hidden exit out the back of the carpark onto Pale lane, and then going to Morrisons.Bibbs said:
Reardy Mister said:
Suffice to say, if I stop at Fleet services on the M3 in Hampshire for fuel and pick up a 4pack of Becks (beer for sale in a fuel station! On a motorway!) I dont knock any of them off on the way home at 98mph regardless of whether they are in the boot, on the passenger seat, in a cooled centre console or strapped to my thighs with gaffer tape so that they are within easy reach.
Nah, you are better off using the hidden exit out the back of the carpark onto Pale lane, and then going to Morrisons.Reardy Mister said:
200bhp said:
The problem is never going to go away whilst there are drive-through bottle shops though. CLose the drive-throughs and the problem would halve overnight.
That is a statement of such myopic lunacy, I have decided against a reasoned response on the grounds that it is a waste of both of our time.Suffice to say, if I stop at Fleet services on the M3 in Hampshire for fuel and pick up a 4pack of Becks (beer for sale in a fuel station! On a motorway!) I dont knock any of them off on the way home at 98mph regardless of whether they are in the boot, on the passenger seat, in a cooled centre console or strapped to my thighs with gaffer tape so that they are within easy reach.
I agree that it's not the root cause of the problem (social acceptance of drink driving is really the issue) but even if closing the bottle shops prevented just 10% of drink drivers then surely that is a good thing?
The obvious disadvantage of shifting alcohol sales into supermarkets would be thousands of job losses as the supermarkets could handle the sales in-store without needing more staff.
Kawasicki said:
Maybe that's because it is completely acceptable?
1) I believe it's illegal to drink alcohol at the wheel.2) Alcohol even in small amounts affects your performance at the wheel.
3) If one is acceptable, how about two? maybe three on along journey?
4) Spill it and you'll make a mess
suthol said:
custardtart said:
Agree its a great road. I cycle it every Sat from Waterfall so just be aware that you do get a lot of cyclists in the park from 6.30am which can ruin a fast blat I'm afraid. Also have seen cops in there at least once a month wasting our money again
Took Nemo for a bit of a play in the RNP yesterday, no speed limits were harmed in the making of this videoRNP 13/04/14
And previous weekend in a more suitable playground
FOSC R1 6/04/14 Wakefield Park
The 2nd vid really did make me miss the old custardtart There's a cracking S2000 powered westy up for grabs on carsales at the mo, over in Lane Cove but at $33k - ouch
200bhp said:
Kawasicki said:
Maybe that's because it is completely acceptable?
1) I believe it's illegal to drink alcohol at the wheel.2) Alcohol even in small amounts affects your performance at the wheel.
3) If one is acceptable, how about two? maybe three on along journey?
4) Spill it and you'll make a mess
However, unless you go over .05, then I don't see how it is any less dangerous than the various morons I see on the way to work who are:
- doing their hair
- doing their make-up
- drinking a hot coffee
- eating a sausage roll
- eating a McDonalds breakfast bun thing
- texting/talking on their phone
- reading a book (I kid you not, in stop/start traffic on stylink)
- knitting
(okay, I made up knitting, but I bet some of you believed it for a split second)
200bhp said:
Kawasicki said:
Maybe that's because it is completely acceptable?
1) I believe it's illegal to drink alcohol at the wheel.2) Alcohol even in small amounts affects your performance at the wheel.
3) If one is acceptable, how about two? maybe three on along journey?
4) Spill it and you'll make a mess
2)Don't make me laugh. I drink maybe 6 beers a year, one at a time. I won't feel guilty about drinking one beer while driving.
3)Well if you can keep under the blood alcohol limit, on a long drive have 7.
4)less mess than a fizzy sugary drink, probably healthier too!
custardtart said:
suthol said:
custardtart said:
Agree its a great road. I cycle it every Sat from Waterfall so just be aware that you do get a lot of cyclists in the park from 6.30am which can ruin a fast blat I'm afraid. Also have seen cops in there at least once a month wasting our money again
Took Nemo for a bit of a play in the RNP yesterday, no speed limits were harmed in the making of this videoRNP 13/04/14
And previous weekend in a more suitable playground
FOSC R1 6/04/14 Wakefield Park
The 2nd vid really did make me miss the old custardtart There's a cracking S2000 powered westy up for grabs on carsales at the mo, over in Lane Cove but at $33k - ouch
There's a couple of clubbies for sale over here
Kawasicki said:
200bhp said:
Kawasicki said:
Maybe that's because it is completely acceptable?
1) I believe it's illegal to drink alcohol at the wheel.2) Alcohol even in small amounts affects your performance at the wheel.
3) If one is acceptable, how about two? maybe three on along journey?
4) Spill it and you'll make a mess
2)Don't make me laugh. I drink maybe 6 beers a year, one at a time. I won't feel guilty about drinking one beer while driving.
3)Well if you can keep under the blood alcohol limit, on a long drive have 7.
4)less mess than a fizzy sugary drink, probably healthier too!
In the afternoon peak hour on Homebush Bay Drive near the Flemington Markets for those who know Sydney.
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