Speeding Advice
Discussion
With regard to so called hoons, you might like to know that over here in W Oz if the speed limit is exceeded by 45kmph or more it is considered to be hooning and your vehicle can be impounded for 48 hours and you can actually be jailed for it.
This of course is absolute crap.
The Government has now commissioned a survey to gain some input from the public.
The survey can be done online and can be found here http://surveys.estill.net.au/roadsafety
This survey has already been accused of being a political tool, it most certainly is biased and tries to push for agreeable answers, but I urge all of those interested in road safety to spend the 5 or 10 minutes it will take and do it.
Many respondents have made similar points to what has been expressed here, so I hope that a few more will help to drag these fools to reality.
BTW Chunder. I think the law about keeping to the left was another that was amended earlier this year. I believe that on roads where the speed limit is 90kmph or greater the driver must keep to the left. I have copied it for you and my take on it is that they can only get you if you are in the right lane. The code is available here; http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/statutes/regs.nsf/AllinOn...
Look for Road Traffic Code 2000, it is 2.8MB download in PDF format.
Division 2 — Keeping to the left
112. Keeping as far left as practicable
(1) Except where these regulations provide otherwise, a driver shall
keep the vehicle as close as practicable to the left boundary of
the carriageway, except where 2 or more lanes marked on the
carriageway are available exclusively for vehicles travelling in
the same direction.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 1 PU
(2) Subregulation (1) does not apply if the vehicle is a motor cycle.
[Regulation 112 amended in Gazette 22 Dec 2006 p. 5820.]
This of course is absolute crap.
The Government has now commissioned a survey to gain some input from the public.
The survey can be done online and can be found here http://surveys.estill.net.au/roadsafety
This survey has already been accused of being a political tool, it most certainly is biased and tries to push for agreeable answers, but I urge all of those interested in road safety to spend the 5 or 10 minutes it will take and do it.
Many respondents have made similar points to what has been expressed here, so I hope that a few more will help to drag these fools to reality.
BTW Chunder. I think the law about keeping to the left was another that was amended earlier this year. I believe that on roads where the speed limit is 90kmph or greater the driver must keep to the left. I have copied it for you and my take on it is that they can only get you if you are in the right lane. The code is available here; http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/statutes/regs.nsf/AllinOn...
Look for Road Traffic Code 2000, it is 2.8MB download in PDF format.
Division 2 — Keeping to the left
112. Keeping as far left as practicable
(1) Except where these regulations provide otherwise, a driver shall
keep the vehicle as close as practicable to the left boundary of
the carriageway, except where 2 or more lanes marked on the
carriageway are available exclusively for vehicles travelling in
the same direction.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 1 PU
(2) Subregulation (1) does not apply if the vehicle is a motor cycle.
[Regulation 112 amended in Gazette 22 Dec 2006 p. 5820.]
Edited by RJO on Thursday 26th July 07:01
RJO said:
With regard to so called hoons, you might like to know that over here in W Oz if the speed limit is exceeded by 45kmph or more it is considered to be hooning and your vehicle can be impounded for 48 hours and you can actually be jailed for it.
This of course is absolute crap.
Dead right it's crap, especially when you consider that 45kph over means you were doing (shock horror) 90MPH on the "Freeway"!!This of course is absolute crap.
RJO said:
The Government has now commissioned a survey to gain some input from the public.
The survey can be done online and can be found here http://surveys.estill.net.au/roadsafety
This survey has already been accused of being a political tool, it most certainly is biased and tries to push for agreeable answers, but I urge all of those interested in road safety to spend the 5 or 10 minutes it will take and do it.
Many respondents have made similar points to what has been expressed here, so I hope that a few more will help to drag these fools to reality.
Will have a look at that later..The survey can be done online and can be found here http://surveys.estill.net.au/roadsafety
This survey has already been accused of being a political tool, it most certainly is biased and tries to push for agreeable answers, but I urge all of those interested in road safety to spend the 5 or 10 minutes it will take and do it.
Many respondents have made similar points to what has been expressed here, so I hope that a few more will help to drag these fools to reality.
RJO said:
BTW Chunder. I think the law about keeping to the left was another that was amended earlier this year. I believe that on roads where the speed limit is 90kmph or greater the driver must keep to the left. I have copied it for you and my take on it is that they can only get you if you are in the right lane. The code is available here; http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/statutes/regs.nsf/AllinOn...
Look for Road Traffic Code 2000, it is 2.8MB download in PDF format.
Division 2 — Keeping to the left
112. Keeping as far left as practicable
(1) Except where these regulations provide otherwise, a driver shall
keep the vehicle as close as practicable to the left boundary of
the carriageway, except where 2 or more lanes marked on the carriageway are available exclusively for vehicles travelling in the same direction.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 1 PU
(2) Subregulation (1) does not apply if the vehicle is a motor cycle.
[Regulation 112 amended in Gazette 22 Dec 2006 p. 5820.]
That reads to me that it is ok to drive in the RH lane of a dual carriageway Look for Road Traffic Code 2000, it is 2.8MB download in PDF format.
Division 2 — Keeping to the left
112. Keeping as far left as practicable
(1) Except where these regulations provide otherwise, a driver shall
keep the vehicle as close as practicable to the left boundary of
the carriageway, except where 2 or more lanes marked on the carriageway are available exclusively for vehicles travelling in the same direction.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 1 PU
(2) Subregulation (1) does not apply if the vehicle is a motor cycle.
[Regulation 112 amended in Gazette 22 Dec 2006 p. 5820.]
Edited by RJO on Thursday 26th July 07:01
Edited by madazrx7 on Thursday 26th July 07:12
It does go on to make regs about carriageways with speed limits above 90;
(2) This regulation applies to a driver driving on a carriageway that
has 2 or more marked lanes available exclusively for vehicles
travelling in the same direction where —
(a) the speed limit is 90 km/h or more; or
(b) a “keep left unless overtaking” sign applies to that part
of the carriageway,
Part 11 Keeping left, overtaking and other driving provisions
Division 2 Keeping to the left
r. 113
page 138 Consolidation 1f
or both.
(3) A driver shall not drive the vehicle in the right lane unless —
Then it goes on about turning right, clearing an obstruction etc
And it is OK to drive in the RH lane where the speed limit is below 90. Then you get all these tossers travelling 2 abreast at the speed limit and wonder why they are being tail gated.
(2) This regulation applies to a driver driving on a carriageway that
has 2 or more marked lanes available exclusively for vehicles
travelling in the same direction where —
(a) the speed limit is 90 km/h or more; or
(b) a “keep left unless overtaking” sign applies to that part
of the carriageway,
Part 11 Keeping left, overtaking and other driving provisions
Division 2 Keeping to the left
r. 113
page 138 Consolidation 1f
or both.
(3) A driver shall not drive the vehicle in the right lane unless —
Then it goes on about turning right, clearing an obstruction etc
And it is OK to drive in the RH lane where the speed limit is below 90. Then you get all these tossers travelling 2 abreast at the speed limit and wonder why they are being tail gated.
Edited by RJO on Thursday 26th July 07:18
O/T, RJO, I see you are a long term member, you should have a look at this thread:
http://www.petrolheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Been in Perth long?
I see you've been a "bit" quiet on PH for the past 3 years
http://www.petrolheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Been in Perth long?
I see you've been a "bit" quiet on PH for the past 3 years
Edited by madazrx7 on Friday 27th July 02:29
Pasco said:
Any news for us Chunder ?
Hi - 21st August is the court date for this one.As far as I am aware the rules that were in place at the time (offence was Dec 17th 2006) state that it is an offence to drive in the right hand lane of a freeway where there is sufficient room for you to move left.
I was in the middle lane so it wasn't an offence.
Proving it is the hard part (although I do have the copper's handwritten notes on my carbon copy of the ticket - "driver stated was in middle lane" -even though his subsequent statement for the court case says that the driver did not give a valid defence at the time).
Will let you know how I go - assuming I will have internet access after the court appearance. The way the law is heading I fear hanging.
Edited by chunder on Monday 30th July 16:08
have you seen a lawyer...he/she might be able to make something of the popo statement on the carbon copy.
Try looking at this PDF link (3.09mb) its the latest Australian Road Rules incorporating amendments to May 2007.
http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARRMay2007...
Try looking at this PDF link (3.09mb) its the latest Australian Road Rules incorporating amendments to May 2007.
http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARRMay2007...
Ok - on the 21st (for the driving in the rh lane - even though I was in the middle) I attended as per the paperwork. I won't go into all the details but the ensuing farce meant I walked out, was found guilty in my absence, got the decision subsequently overturned because of the wrong advice I was given by the Court clerk and now have a new date of 21st Sept -which I have already pleaded not guilty to in writing so will await a date for the actual case to be heard.
The long story is mildly amusing, I just don't have enough time to go through it. The process is a complete farce though.
For the speeding that was the original reason for posting it was all put on hold until the police investigated my queries. They have now come back to me in writing and also phoned me at work the day I received the letter.
Went something like this - having investigated all of the issues raised we believe the case still stands and the Sergeant has indicated he wishes it to proceed to court. HOWEVER, we did find a MINOR administrative error and with the type of radar gun used the reading should have been reduced by 2kmh whereas the Sergeant only reduced it by 1kmh. This took the offence down to the next bracket i.e. 2 points less and $100 less and a new infringement notice has been sent out.
Whilst I didn't get it completely thrown out or receive a point by point response to the issues I raised I'm going to cut my losses on this one and consider it a small win.
I just wonder how many more drivers are out there having been issued tickets incorrectly and where that 1kmh difference takes it below the offence threshold or down to a lesser level ?
Maybe the police should look back through all the tickets issued by this Sergeant using the same radar gun - do you reckon I should ask them to do that or maybe ask the West Australian to put a little notice in their motoring section asking people to write in if they have a ticket from Sergeant # ?
The long story is mildly amusing, I just don't have enough time to go through it. The process is a complete farce though.
For the speeding that was the original reason for posting it was all put on hold until the police investigated my queries. They have now come back to me in writing and also phoned me at work the day I received the letter.
Went something like this - having investigated all of the issues raised we believe the case still stands and the Sergeant has indicated he wishes it to proceed to court. HOWEVER, we did find a MINOR administrative error and with the type of radar gun used the reading should have been reduced by 2kmh whereas the Sergeant only reduced it by 1kmh. This took the offence down to the next bracket i.e. 2 points less and $100 less and a new infringement notice has been sent out.
Whilst I didn't get it completely thrown out or receive a point by point response to the issues I raised I'm going to cut my losses on this one and consider it a small win.
I just wonder how many more drivers are out there having been issued tickets incorrectly and where that 1kmh difference takes it below the offence threshold or down to a lesser level ?
Maybe the police should look back through all the tickets issued by this Sergeant using the same radar gun - do you reckon I should ask them to do that or maybe ask the West Australian to put a little notice in their motoring section asking people to write in if they have a ticket from Sergeant # ?
To be honest, when I first read this post I thought "Yeah yeah, as long as you're careful shouldn't be any problems". I try to stick on or below the limit where I can and use cruise control whenever possible.
Then yesterday I got a penalty notice through the post for $138 and one point for doing 106 km/h in a 100km/h limit
My picture was taken on a motorway where I'd obviously missed the 100 sign and left the cruise on 110. No doubt they have a camera dead on the point where the limit changes. What a lot of shite.
The complete nonsense of this Victorian law is that the Federal Government Australian Design Rules for motor vehicles clearly state that a speedometer has to be accurate to plus/minus 10% at speeds over 40km/h. So you could in theory be doing an indicated 100 but actually be doing 110 and the car still meets design laws and you have no way of knowing your actual speed until you get a letter through the door (by which time you'd have lost your license!).
I'm going to write a letter saying I'd never driven that road before (true) and it was an innocent mistake and by the way do they know their law is at odds with Federal legislation. Don't want to cause too much trouble though in case they don't extend my Visa!
Anyway, from now on I won't be letting any cop cars out if they are waiting to enter traffic.
Then yesterday I got a penalty notice through the post for $138 and one point for doing 106 km/h in a 100km/h limit
My picture was taken on a motorway where I'd obviously missed the 100 sign and left the cruise on 110. No doubt they have a camera dead on the point where the limit changes. What a lot of shite.The complete nonsense of this Victorian law is that the Federal Government Australian Design Rules for motor vehicles clearly state that a speedometer has to be accurate to plus/minus 10% at speeds over 40km/h. So you could in theory be doing an indicated 100 but actually be doing 110 and the car still meets design laws and you have no way of knowing your actual speed until you get a letter through the door (by which time you'd have lost your license!).
I'm going to write a letter saying I'd never driven that road before (true) and it was an innocent mistake and by the way do they know their law is at odds with Federal legislation. Don't want to cause too much trouble though in case they don't extend my Visa!
Anyway, from now on I won't be letting any cop cars out if they are waiting to enter traffic.
Jader,
Query it - the law is an ass but exists to protect the majority of the public. If the majority of the public query it or disagree then eventually it will change.
Have you been given an opportunity recently to check the accuracy of your speedo - well advertised points on major roads with auto radar and a big sign showing the speed you were doing ?
If not how the hell can anyone tell whether the car they just bought is accurate especially if they were travelling same speed or slower than surrounding traffic. When I had to take my import over the pits it failed for a whole heap of crap - sidelights too bright - had to change 10W bulbs to 5 W bulbs amongst other things. Never checked the accuracy of the speedo though.
By querying it the worse is the delay will give you a chance to save up for the fine !
Good luck.
Query it - the law is an ass but exists to protect the majority of the public. If the majority of the public query it or disagree then eventually it will change.
Have you been given an opportunity recently to check the accuracy of your speedo - well advertised points on major roads with auto radar and a big sign showing the speed you were doing ?
If not how the hell can anyone tell whether the car they just bought is accurate especially if they were travelling same speed or slower than surrounding traffic. When I had to take my import over the pits it failed for a whole heap of crap - sidelights too bright - had to change 10W bulbs to 5 W bulbs amongst other things. Never checked the accuracy of the speedo though.
By querying it the worse is the delay will give you a chance to save up for the fine !
Good luck.
Pasco said:
Pasco said:
Pasco said:
Any news for us Chunder ?
How did it go Chunder Fingers Crossed for you 
Pasco
On the failing to move to the middle lane (although I was in the middle lane) I pleaded not guilty by post by the prescribed time back in Sept. I was told I would hear back within a few weeks with a court date for the hearing.
Not sure what has happened as I haven't heard a squeak.
I have a nagging suspicion it may have been put into the too hard basket, especially as I put down the details regarding the carbon copy etc on the affadavit I had to submit to get the original decision overturned.
Overall then -
Speeding - reduced due to operator error
Lane offence - 12 mths later and no idea so assume dropped
chunder said:
Pasco said:
Pasco said:
Pasco said:
Any news for us Chunder ?
How did it go Chunder Fingers Crossed for you Pasco
On the failing to move to the middle lane (although I was in the middle lane) I pleaded not guilty by post by the prescribed time back in Sept. I was told I would hear back within a few weeks with a court date for the hearing.
Not sure what has happened as I haven't heard a squeak.
I have a nagging suspicion it may have been put into the too hard basket, especially as I put down the details regarding the carbon copy etc on the affadavit I had to submit to get the original decision overturned.
Overall then -
Speeding - reduced due to operator error
Lane offence - 12 mths later and no idea so assume dropped
Actually had a call from the Prosecution service telling me I didn't need to turn up for my Jan 4th court appearance.
Not that I have even had notification of a court appearance, and I am still at the same address !
Anyway, I don't need to turn up because the police have dropped the charge, no reason, prosecution assume lack of evidence, I assume too hard and the fact I wasn't in the rh lane and can (kind of) prove it.
Drive responsibly but have fun and fight any pure revenue raisers !
Not that I have even had notification of a court appearance, and I am still at the same address !
Anyway, I don't need to turn up because the police have dropped the charge, no reason, prosecution assume lack of evidence, I assume too hard and the fact I wasn't in the rh lane and can (kind of) prove it.
Drive responsibly but have fun and fight any pure revenue raisers !
chunder said:
Actually had a call from the Prosecution service telling me I didn't need to turn up for my Jan 4th court appearance.
Not that I have even had notification of a court appearance, and I am still at the same address !
Anyway, I don't need to turn up because the police have dropped the charge, no reason, prosecution assume lack of evidence, I assume too hard and the fact I wasn't in the rh lane and can (kind of) prove it.
Drive responsibly but have fun and fight any pure revenue raisers !
Top man Not that I have even had notification of a court appearance, and I am still at the same address !
Anyway, I don't need to turn up because the police have dropped the charge, no reason, prosecution assume lack of evidence, I assume too hard and the fact I wasn't in the rh lane and can (kind of) prove it.
Drive responsibly but have fun and fight any pure revenue raisers !
Merry Xmas to buddy
chunder said:
Actually had a call from the Prosecution service telling me I didn't need to turn up for my Jan 4th court appearance.
Not that I have even had notification of a court appearance, and I am still at the same address !
Anyway, I don't need to turn up because the police have dropped the charge, no reason, prosecution assume lack of evidence, I assume too hard and the fact I wasn't in the rh lane and can (kind of) prove it.
Drive responsibly but have fun and fight any pure revenue raisers !
With baby steps and small victories, we continue to march forth - well done, but what a phaff Not that I have even had notification of a court appearance, and I am still at the same address !
Anyway, I don't need to turn up because the police have dropped the charge, no reason, prosecution assume lack of evidence, I assume too hard and the fact I wasn't in the rh lane and can (kind of) prove it.
Drive responsibly but have fun and fight any pure revenue raisers !
for those of us who have immigrated from the UK with high-power Caterhams, Elises, Exiges, etc this country is frankly a bunch of speed police Nazis. sorry to use THAT word -- but nothing else comes close. you blat in the country side and you take your chances far more with BiB's than with the mostly docile wild life.
did a 1 day trip south from Sydney to the Snowfields a few months ago -- overtaking folks here you would think their heads are GOING TO EXPLODE when you overtake them 2kph over their speed. that being said, in our 4x4 i got done for +15kph and 3pts (first points in 21 years!) on a motorway near a town with the AFP school (Goulbourn) and should have known better.
i have many mates here in Sydney who are either on bans, or about to be. 3 out of 4 are NOT for speeding, things like "bad rego plate on front/back of a car" or "bad rego plate with pushbikes on back of car".
hardly the stuff of death and destruction. at least there is somewhat of a movement to jail psycho P platers in their Saxos unlike the UK. unfortunately the blue-rinse OAP's are more deadly and unpredictable than the Micra-monsters in the UK however....
it is trusly freakish to drive here, and i do a couple Sydney <-> Melbourne and SYdney <-> BrisVegas runs a year for business.....
did a 1 day trip south from Sydney to the Snowfields a few months ago -- overtaking folks here you would think their heads are GOING TO EXPLODE when you overtake them 2kph over their speed. that being said, in our 4x4 i got done for +15kph and 3pts (first points in 21 years!) on a motorway near a town with the AFP school (Goulbourn) and should have known better.
i have many mates here in Sydney who are either on bans, or about to be. 3 out of 4 are NOT for speeding, things like "bad rego plate on front/back of a car" or "bad rego plate with pushbikes on back of car".
hardly the stuff of death and destruction. at least there is somewhat of a movement to jail psycho P platers in their Saxos unlike the UK. unfortunately the blue-rinse OAP's are more deadly and unpredictable than the Micra-monsters in the UK however....
it is trusly freakish to drive here, and i do a couple Sydney <-> Melbourne and SYdney <-> BrisVegas runs a year for business.....
I should now change the title of this thread to stopping advice.
Followed my neighbour (middle aged female with kids in a station wagon) down the road, past the park in Edgewater to the T junction on Joondalup Drive, if anyone knows it.
We can clearly see 200 metres down the road to the next set of lights, everythings stopped, nothing on the road between us and the lights so we both turn onto the road to be confronted by the highway patrol waving at us to get off the road.
So I drive up the 2ft kerb thinking it's a random stop (I was stopped the day before driving back from Kalgoorlie - 600kms of dead straight boredom and I get pulled over in a small town for a RBT. As soon as I wound the window a breathalyser is shoved in and a voice says blow in this, no explanation or preamble. Of course I hadn't been drinking so assume blew clear although nothing was said other than remove the tube and wait and someone to take down your details. A policewoman walked up after a few minutes and asked whether she could take my details - I asked why they were required and apparently it was just name and drivers license no to prove I had a WA license. I gave her the tube back and asked her to dispose of it. The other annoying thing was that I heard her shout to the bloke after he had tested me not to pull anyone else over as they had now reached their quota.).
Traffic cop approaches and as I think it's only a random I ask whether I can go as I was late for work and desperate for fuel - I pointed out the empty gauge and warning light. He says no and that I just went through a stop sign without stopping and goes off to write out tickets for both cars. When he comes back and explains 3 points and $150 fine my wife had to restrain me.
The cop disagreed that it was a complete farce as apparently an accident had occurred recently when someone did an illegal U turn in front of the junction and someone went through the stop sign without stopping and hit them, hence why they were clamping down at that junction. He said a stop sign was like a red traffic light and did I make a habit of going through those, luckily I have had anger management training. Maybe they should put traffic lights there if they want people to stop, they seem to put them everywhere else, a set went in at a junction only round the corner recently as it was identified under the federal blackspot campaign - since installed I have seen 3 write offs and at least 10 smaller incidents with light poles needing replacing half a dozen times - never saw a single problem before it was listed a blackspot and had lights installed. Now you have to dodge the broken glass every time you go through the junction.
So now, instead of using my judgement when approaching this T junction, I am supposed to stop even if clear and then pull away. I refuse to do this on safety grounds as I can guarantee if I did that 10 times on one occasion someone is going to go up my arse.
That and the fact that the WA drive safe book lists the offence as "failure to stop and give way at a stop sign", which I didn't, as there was nothing to give way to, will form my defense on this one.
Followed my neighbour (middle aged female with kids in a station wagon) down the road, past the park in Edgewater to the T junction on Joondalup Drive, if anyone knows it.
We can clearly see 200 metres down the road to the next set of lights, everythings stopped, nothing on the road between us and the lights so we both turn onto the road to be confronted by the highway patrol waving at us to get off the road.
So I drive up the 2ft kerb thinking it's a random stop (I was stopped the day before driving back from Kalgoorlie - 600kms of dead straight boredom and I get pulled over in a small town for a RBT. As soon as I wound the window a breathalyser is shoved in and a voice says blow in this, no explanation or preamble. Of course I hadn't been drinking so assume blew clear although nothing was said other than remove the tube and wait and someone to take down your details. A policewoman walked up after a few minutes and asked whether she could take my details - I asked why they were required and apparently it was just name and drivers license no to prove I had a WA license. I gave her the tube back and asked her to dispose of it. The other annoying thing was that I heard her shout to the bloke after he had tested me not to pull anyone else over as they had now reached their quota.).
Traffic cop approaches and as I think it's only a random I ask whether I can go as I was late for work and desperate for fuel - I pointed out the empty gauge and warning light. He says no and that I just went through a stop sign without stopping and goes off to write out tickets for both cars. When he comes back and explains 3 points and $150 fine my wife had to restrain me.
The cop disagreed that it was a complete farce as apparently an accident had occurred recently when someone did an illegal U turn in front of the junction and someone went through the stop sign without stopping and hit them, hence why they were clamping down at that junction. He said a stop sign was like a red traffic light and did I make a habit of going through those, luckily I have had anger management training. Maybe they should put traffic lights there if they want people to stop, they seem to put them everywhere else, a set went in at a junction only round the corner recently as it was identified under the federal blackspot campaign - since installed I have seen 3 write offs and at least 10 smaller incidents with light poles needing replacing half a dozen times - never saw a single problem before it was listed a blackspot and had lights installed. Now you have to dodge the broken glass every time you go through the junction.
So now, instead of using my judgement when approaching this T junction, I am supposed to stop even if clear and then pull away. I refuse to do this on safety grounds as I can guarantee if I did that 10 times on one occasion someone is going to go up my arse.
That and the fact that the WA drive safe book lists the offence as "failure to stop and give way at a stop sign", which I didn't, as there was nothing to give way to, will form my defense on this one.
That's f'ing shocking, sounds like even if they had achieved their quota of breath test stops for the day they hadn't hit their quota of revenue collection.....
Good luck with fighting it, I really hope you are able to contest it. Unfortunately by the letter of the law you're probably stuffed however as a stop sign does mean you should come to a complete halt regardless of how idiotic that may be in reality.
No matter how bad things are over here in Melbourne I do take comfort that it doesn't seem that our local police forces are as completely mindlessly anti-motorist as they are over in Perth.
Good luck with fighting it, I really hope you are able to contest it. Unfortunately by the letter of the law you're probably stuffed however as a stop sign does mean you should come to a complete halt regardless of how idiotic that may be in reality.
No matter how bad things are over here in Melbourne I do take comfort that it doesn't seem that our local police forces are as completely mindlessly anti-motorist as they are over in Perth.
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