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james280779

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109 months

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Friday 6th July 2012 quote quote all
went through and noticed an old post.

As you have owned the vehicle less than six years, use your uk price, Convert this to $ and your good to go. Even with depreciation I wouldnt recommend getting it valued here.

I reckon you paid 15k ish for yours when buying? that equates to $23,250 value.

An up to date value for yours would be nearer $35-40k.

you can see how much less tax you'll be paying- nearly half. Thats about 5k all in all your pocket.

All you need is the original receipt.

I'll pm you the address to send the beer to wink

justnotsure

402 posts

97 months

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
James,

I bought the Car March 2008 so have owned it for 4 years+.
Thanks regarding the Rego advice, will do this obviously after the inspection.
Do you know of a good Tyre shop in Perth as I will need 4 x AO48's or may go with the a cheaper option???

Cheers

Kurt

pikey

7,646 posts

164 months

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
james280779 said:
As you have owned the vehicle less than six years, use your uk price, Convert this to $ and your good to go. Even with depreciation I wouldnt recommend getting it valued here.
Hi James, I've got a Cayenne in transit at the moment (so I can't do anything differently!) and noticed your comment about valuation.

A Cayenne's (2011) value in the UK is clearly an awful lot less than it is in Australia, hence having the valuation done in the UK would have been the better way to do it. However I was told by the customs chap (Government bod) at Sydney that I *have* to have it valued for customs once it arrived. They will take into consideration how much I valued it for insurance transit purposes, but it's what they think once it is here that matters. (He also recommended using an agent to clear it.)

Perhaps they are different from State to State, or that the rules have changed but in bringing to NSW I had no option but to value it after arrival.

Ben

james280779

1,902 posts

109 months

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
said:
Hi James, I've got a Cayenne in transit at the moment (so I can't do anything differently!) and noticed your comment about valuation.

A Cayenne's (2011) value in the UK is clearly an awful lot less than it is in Australia, hence having the valuation done in the UK would have been the better way to do it. However I was told by the customs chap (Government bod) at Sydney that I *have* to have it valued for customs once it arrived. They will take into consideration how much I valued it for insurance transit purposes, but it's what they think once it is here that matters. (He also recommended using an agent to clear it.)

Perhaps they are different from State to State, or that the rules have changed but in bringing to NSW I had no option but to value it after arrival.

Ben
As far as I know - importation including taxes are the same australia over- they are governed by Canberra.

Local registration is governed state by state.

(i may be corrected on this)

As long as you have owned the car less than 6 years - you can use your original receipt for the valuation.
I too have been told by 'agents' that I MUST GET A LOCAL VALUATION because customs said so. When I pointed out it wasnt a legal requirement and under the import act I had owned less than 6 years- it was never mentioned again.

Remember the agents are making money off you, I had one where they invoiced me for a valuation. I asked them to prove it had been done as I worked out the tax to be exactly the figures from my UK receipt. They bluffed for a while before refunding my money.

I will see if I can find the proper legal stance mumbo jumbo


james280779

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/...

ok the website has changed and the six years part has been 'omitted' however in both your cases I think you have a case to use the UK value.

there only seems to be two reasons they can argue why not if you have the proper paperwork....

1. additions/ substantial modifications = more tax
2. depreciation through wear and tear = lower tax.

I dont think they will argue point 2 as it might mean less tax - especially if vehicles are in good condition.
If your vehicles are standard they cant substantiate point 1.

Edited by james280779 on Monday 9th July 06:46

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james280779

1,902 posts

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
justnotsure said:
James,

I bought the Car March 2008 so have owned it for 4 years+.
Thanks regarding the Rego advice, will do this obviously after the inspection.
Do you know of a good Tyre shop in Perth as I will need 4 x AO48's or may go with the a cheaper option???

Cheers

Kurt
sorry - I am not in Perth so no idea. I would personally buy them online and then just pay fitment.

ariddell

424 posts

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
I had a UK valuation and an AU one done on my TVR, the AU one was done sight-unseen by sending off pics and filling in a couple of forms.

The AU valuation came back significantly lower than the UK one, even back in 07, so that was the one I presented to Customs and they accepted it with no issue.

I used MVVS for the AU valuation (mvvs@optusnet.com.au 0398855075).


pikey

7,646 posts

164 months

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Monday 9th July 2012 quote quote all
Thanks

james280779 said:
As long as you have owned the car less than 6 years - you can use your original receipt for the valuation.
I too have been told by 'agents' that I MUST GET A LOCAL VALUATION because customs said so.
The person I spoke to wasn't an agent but in customs (in fact he recommended an agent can make things easier).

I do have the original invoice (I purchased it brand new) so will challenge if it's worth it. However I've now engaged an agent, who has taken details away and says they should be able to give me a number that's very close to what customs will value it at. I'll wait to see what this is first.






sensible

101 posts

63 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
Kurt

The Ao48s are only sold via the Yoko motorsport dealer here in perth and that is Wheels world in Osborne Park, It is the same with any of the motorsport tyres here
Toyo is Racetune motorsport services in Bayswater
Dunlop is Kosterias in Kalamunda
Bridgestone is BTC Bentley
Also they dont all stock all the sizes and compounds that you can get in the Uk

It is alot cheaper to get them from the Uk and ship them here
You need to keep the price below $1000 Aud or you will be slugged import duty on them, I do this by buying and shipping 2 at a time

justnotsure

402 posts

97 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
Thanks for the advise, can I ask who you buy from in the UK?

sensible

101 posts

63 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
I run Avon slicks from BMTR.co.uk but have used Demon Tweeks for Toyos before

Bob the Planner

4,590 posts

149 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
james280779 said:
went through and noticed an old post.

As you have owned the vehicle less than six years, use your uk price, Convert this to $ and your good to go. Even with depreciation I wouldnt recommend getting it valued here.

I reckon you paid 15k ish for yours when buying? that equates to $23,250 value.

An up to date value for yours would be nearer $35-40k.

you can see how much less tax you'll be paying- nearly half. Thats about 5k all in all your pocket.

All you need is the original receipt.

I'll pm you the address to send the beer to wink
I must have squeake in by the skin of my teeth - did no know about this rule.

james280779

1,902 posts

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Wednesday 11th July 2012 quote quote all
Bob the Planner said:
I must have squeake in by the skin of my teeth - did no know about this rule.
just checked out your profile, hate to break it but your gonna have to write off the chimera as you wont be able to get it out here without returning to the UK for 12 months - had to do the same with my Cerb. Was absolutely gutted!!

Mattt

15,417 posts

98 months

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Tuesday 31st July 2012 quote quote all
Car is being loaded onto a ship this weekend, with an ETA of early/mid September - then 2 weeks for clearance.

pikey

7,646 posts

164 months

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Hurry up!


james280779

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Tuesday 7th August 2012 quote quote all
Mattt said:
Car is being loaded onto a ship this weekend, with an ETA of early/mid September - then 2 weeks for clearance.
2 weeks???? not likely unless its full of weed

Mine arrived Saturday and was cleared by Tuesday so if you have all the paperwork in place 2 days is prefectly acheivable if using a decent agent.

2 weeks will incur you lots of storage charges

XB70

1,782 posts

76 months

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Tuesday 7th August 2012 quote quote all
I have been looking around re how the 12 months/365 days ownership is taken into account.

If you have a travelled out of the UK in that period does the day on which you left the UK and day on which you returned to the UK each count as a "day away"? Say, fly our Friday, arrive back Sunday: is that three days or one day?

Generally with the usual week holiday here, day there, does that count against the 365 ownership requirement?

Thanks in advance


pikey

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XB70 said:
I have been looking around re how the 12 months/365 days ownership is taken into account.

If you have a travelled out of the UK in that period does the day on which you left the UK and day on which you returned to the UK each count as a "day away"? Say, fly our Friday, arrive back Sunday: is that three days or one day?

Generally with the usual week holiday here, day there, does that count against the 365 ownership requirement?
Not a problem - you just have to declare it.

This was my one that I used:

RE: <year> <Make> <Model>, CHASSIS NO. <chassic no>


I, Mr. <full name>, hereby certify that I purchased the above mentioned motor car in the UK on 20th July, 2010 and registered it in my name.

I propose to hand over my car for shipment in July, 2012 and have already left the UK to travel to Australia in April, 2012.

I have owned and used my car in the UK for 21 months and during this time I have been away from the UK in the car for the following period:

• 15th – 17th December 2010 – weekend trip to Bruge, Belgium.
• 10th September – 21st September – driving holiday to France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Italy, Switzerland and Austria


CERTIFIED TRUE AND CORRECT,

<signature>

XB70

1,782 posts

76 months

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Wednesday 8th August 2012 quote quote all
said:
Not a problem - you just have to declare it.

This was my one that I used:

RE: <year> <Make> <Model>, CHASSIS NO. <chassic no>


I, Mr. <full name>, hereby certify that I purchased the above mentioned motor car in the UK on 20th July, 2010 and registered it in my name.

I propose to hand over my car for shipment in July, 2012 and have already left the UK to travel to Australia in April, 2012.

I have owned and used my car in the UK for 21 months and during this time I have been away from the UK in the car for the following period:

• 15th – 17th December 2010 – weekend trip to Bruge, Belgium.
• 10th September – 21st September – driving holiday to France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Italy, Switzerland and Austria


CERTIFIED TRUE AND CORRECT,

<signature>
Thanks!

I am in a slightly different position as I bought the car in October 2011 and will be back in Oz in middle of November 2012.

While 12 months will have passed during which time I have owned the car in the UK, I have been on two trips back to Oz, one to Dubai and some two or three day trips to the Paris for a car show, Geneva for a car show.

That would give me 365 days less 39 days (or 31 if the day of departure and day of return is not included).

I have only a few moments ago got off the phone from DOTARS back in Australia who said that holidays do NOT count again you, but they still need to know where you have been and when.

I can't see this written anywhere that I can find but because this is being cut so fine in terms of 12 months ownership and when we leave, I don't have much wriggle room.

Until now I thought that I would to sell it and started to advertise it (would be gutted to sell it) but it appears there is a chance that I would be able to import it.


XB70

1,782 posts

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Wednesday 8th August 2012 quote quote all
james280779 said:
its a personal import. not an issue as the only test is MVR Rego and a check on glass etc.
Due to the Jag being sold in Aus previously it will be fully Aus compliant.
Presumably this would also apply to my car (a Lexus LS430) as they were also sold in Oz.
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