Orange BMW CSL
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Chaps, someone is trying to sell an orig BMW CSL in orange in Australia at the moment, its been imported from the UK.
It is being sold as an Orig CSL fully restored.
BEWARE, the car is a ringer, it has the chassis numbers and identity from another car and has been built using a non CSL shell.
I'm not sure where the chap is trying to advertise it, but if you guys could spread the word amongst BMW collectors in Australia it would be great. I would hate to see someone get ripped off.
Also the same seller may be trying to sell an Alpina Bi-Turbo Interior, again imported from the UK, Beware.. this is Stolen, if someone sees any advertised Alpina interiors then please let me know and I will pass the details onto the owner.
I won't name the chap on here, but for more details on the CSL or the chap just PM me.
Cheers Chaps
Charlie
It is being sold as an Orig CSL fully restored.
BEWARE, the car is a ringer, it has the chassis numbers and identity from another car and has been built using a non CSL shell.
I'm not sure where the chap is trying to advertise it, but if you guys could spread the word amongst BMW collectors in Australia it would be great. I would hate to see someone get ripped off.
Also the same seller may be trying to sell an Alpina Bi-Turbo Interior, again imported from the UK, Beware.. this is Stolen, if someone sees any advertised Alpina interiors then please let me know and I will pass the details onto the owner.
I won't name the chap on here, but for more details on the CSL or the chap just PM me.
Cheers Chaps
Charlie
Not quite true..........
A ringer is a car whose identity is shared with another, i.e two cars on the same numbers. This isn't so - the car in question is the only one bearing those numbers, make no mistake on this.
The car was completely re-built following an engine bay burn out around 4-5 years ago, and there isn't much left of the original car to put it mildly. However it does have the correct parts - alloy doors, bonnet and boot, the 3003cc engine on D Jet, the Alpina cotton reel wheels, Scheel seats etc and it has been pretty well restored.
Perfect examples of the CSL are £50-60'000 Sterling and this one was around half that I believe.
A ringer is a car whose identity is shared with another, i.e two cars on the same numbers. This isn't so - the car in question is the only one bearing those numbers, make no mistake on this.
The car was completely re-built following an engine bay burn out around 4-5 years ago, and there isn't much left of the original car to put it mildly. However it does have the correct parts - alloy doors, bonnet and boot, the 3003cc engine on D Jet, the Alpina cotton reel wheels, Scheel seats etc and it has been pretty well restored.
Perfect examples of the CSL are £50-60'000 Sterling and this one was around half that I believe.
Victor101 said:
Not quite true..........
A ringer is a car whose identity is shared with another, i.e two cars on the same numbers. This isn't so - the car in question is the only one bearing those numbers, make no mistake on this.
The car was completely re-built following an engine bay burn out around 4-5 years ago, and there isn't much left of the original car to put it mildly. However it does have the correct parts - alloy doors, bonnet and boot, the 3003cc engine on D Jet, the Alpina cotton reel wheels, Scheel seats etc and it has been pretty well restored.
Perfect examples of the CSL are £50-60'000 Sterling and this one was around half that I believe.
The only thing remaining of the orig car was the chassis plates, which were welded into a CSA chassis, the orig shell was crushed. Taking an identity from one car and stamping into a different shell is Ringing.A ringer is a car whose identity is shared with another, i.e two cars on the same numbers. This isn't so - the car in question is the only one bearing those numbers, make no mistake on this.
The car was completely re-built following an engine bay burn out around 4-5 years ago, and there isn't much left of the original car to put it mildly. However it does have the correct parts - alloy doors, bonnet and boot, the 3003cc engine on D Jet, the Alpina cotton reel wheels, Scheel seats etc and it has been pretty well restored.
Perfect examples of the CSL are £50-60'000 Sterling and this one was around half that I believe.
Its very defo a ringer, I know this because I know the chap who did all the work, and have seen the car myself.
Obviously if the owner made all this clear when he sold the car in Australia, then there is no problem.
There's one listed in the upcoming Bonhams & Goodman classic auction.
http://www.bonhamsandgoodman.com.au/lot_details.ph...
http://www.bonhamsandgoodman.com.au/lot_details.ph...
ariddell said:
There's one listed in the upcoming Bonhams & Goodman classic auction.
http://www.bonhamsandgoodman.com.au/lot_details.ph...
Thats the puppyhttp://www.bonhamsandgoodman.com.au/lot_details.ph...
Did anyone get in touch with the auctioneers on this? I'm just back from 2 weeks away and was about to send them a link to this thread, but I see it was due for auction 06/12. Is it in the auctioneers interests to bring this to anyone's attention? Do they have a duty of care to disclose what they may know to be a fale representation? Do we know if it sold?
If someone has bought it they should at least be covered by any legislation that protects against buying a car with its mileage altered.
Going from the VIN number that car was sold in the UK in 2002 with 89,000 miles on it, again in July 2009 with 95,000 miles on it and yet in the just completed sale it's down to a claimed genuine 43,000miles.
Very dodgy. The July 2009 sale was through Bonhams in the UK so they should be very well aware of the mileage discrepancy at the very least.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/pu...
Going from the VIN number that car was sold in the UK in 2002 with 89,000 miles on it, again in July 2009 with 95,000 miles on it and yet in the just completed sale it's down to a claimed genuine 43,000miles.
Very dodgy. The July 2009 sale was through Bonhams in the UK so they should be very well aware of the mileage discrepancy at the very least.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/pu...
Edited by ariddell on Monday 14th December 00:17
ariddell said:
If someone has bought it they should at least be covered by any legislation that protects against buying a car with its mileage altered.
Going from the VIN number that car was sold in the UK in 2002 with 89,000 miles on it, again in July 2009 with 95,000 miles on it and yet in the just completed sale it's down to a claimed genuine 42,000miles.
Very dodgy. The July 2009 sale was through Bonhams in the UK so they should be very well aware of the mileage discrepancy at the very least.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/pu...
IRRC the car was pulled from the UK auction due to 'questionable history'. Going from the VIN number that car was sold in the UK in 2002 with 89,000 miles on it, again in July 2009 with 95,000 miles on it and yet in the just completed sale it's down to a claimed genuine 42,000miles.
Very dodgy. The July 2009 sale was through Bonhams in the UK so they should be very well aware of the mileage discrepancy at the very least.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/pu...
what is the deal with this, aside from the questionable identity of the body shell and what it is beeing sold as.
if the car is not stolen and the person that did the original conversion legaly owned both cars/parts that were used to make it, is there any issue other than posibly Fraud if they try and sell it as something that it is not?
at 50 - 60k pounds its out of my price range, however something like that looks like a cool car to have.
if the car is not stolen and the person that did the original conversion legaly owned both cars/parts that were used to make it, is there any issue other than posibly Fraud if they try and sell it as something that it is not?
at 50 - 60k pounds its out of my price range, however something like that looks like a cool car to have.
The original car was fire damaged and written off, then crushed. The ID found it's way onto another car via a shady character. The UK authorities got involved, and the car was shipped to Oz a bit sharpish.
If you've recently paid a lot of $$$ for an orange '72 CSL, chances are it's this one and it's not a real one. I'd be rather annoyed - wouldn't you?
If you've recently paid a lot of $$$ for an orange '72 CSL, chances are it's this one and it's not a real one. I'd be rather annoyed - wouldn't you?
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