RE: Lotus 2-Eleven
Discussion
As I always say to the knockers, if you havnt driven one, how can you know ?
That chassis is sublime, even with only 140hp in the Liz S it rocks,and the track car will be bliss in its element.
Yes,its not cheap......but it aint that dear either.
Horses for courses.Thems that know will be buying, and I bet the Liz trophy next year will be full of 'em.
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That chassis is sublime, even with only 140hp in the Liz S it rocks,and the track car will be bliss in its element.
Yes,its not cheap......but it aint that dear either.
Horses for courses.Thems that know will be buying, and I bet the Liz trophy next year will be full of 'em.
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Sam_68 said:
TimJMS said:
VeeUUowner said:
the whole idea of track day is to try and win rather than just drive
I think you are confusing track days with racing.Like Tim says... track days are supposed to be non competitive. They're supposed to be about driving at you and your vehicle's limits in a safe, legal environment. Unless you're an experienced and adept racer, a bog standard S1 Elise is capable of outperforming most drivers in terms of ability, so why pay £40 for something with lots of toys that, being honest, most people don't have the skills to fully exploit?
Edited by dan1502 on Monday 2nd July 10:45
A KTM X-Bow is bang up to date(not 90's technology)and a damn sight cheaper. No wonder they've got a thousand confirmed orders. Lotus have sold about 500 cars so far in 2007 and I don't think the 2-eleven's going to add many more at that price. Come on Lotus sort your prices out if you want to do numbers and stop another sell out!
steve kerr said:
A KTM X-Bow is bang up to date(not 90's technology)and a damn sight cheaper. No wonder they've got a thousand confirmed orders.
But, as mentioned earlier, apparantley they are not confirmed orders but in fact names and addresses of people that expressed an interest according to the KTM salesman.Plus, every Lotus dealer can service and maintain a 2 Eleven with the same intervals as a regular Exige.
steve kerr said:
A KTM X-Bow is bang up to date(not 90's technology)and a damn sight cheaper. No wonder they've got a thousand confirmed orders. Lotus have sold about 500 cars so far in 2007 and I don't think the 2-eleven's going to add many more at that price. Come on Lotus sort your prices out if you want to do numbers and stop another sell out!
500 cars in six months. Thats shocking. They really need to get the 2+2 and the Esprit out sharpish.The Lotus is a track day tool and an expensive one at that. Despite all its merits or demerits it will not sell in significant numbers. It wouldn't even if it were 20k cheaper. In some ways its a blind alley for Lotus as a company. they would have been bette to have announced/shown the esprit as put this up for sale if they want to survive without Proton.
As a track day car yes, but 'road'?
The things fills up with water in rain shower, ie just another bath tub and no screen.
WHY do they try and make out these things are dual purpose?
Autocar (Lotus Weekly) has just given it EIGHT pages in their Road Test no. *!***** whatever. ROAD TEST? It's NOT a road car.
WHY do we get this?
EASY. It's JUST because it's a Loti.
If it were anything else it would be a thumbnail hidden in the what's new.
As for 40 grand - they must be havin' a
Might just as well as put 90!
Me?
If it had to be a Loti, and new?
I'd rather be flat out on a dual carriageway in an EXIGE any day (AND probably be easily overtaking any 2-Eleven (should there be a REMOTE chance of encountering one) because if there was the very lightest of showers (that's pretty remote too in the UK, more likely to be a downpour) the poor sod in the 2-Eleven wouldn't see where he was going and have to pull over in the nearest layby and then bale out - literally!
Road car? Laughable.
The things fills up with water in rain shower, ie just another bath tub and no screen.
WHY do they try and make out these things are dual purpose?
Autocar (Lotus Weekly) has just given it EIGHT pages in their Road Test no. *!***** whatever. ROAD TEST? It's NOT a road car.
WHY do we get this?
EASY. It's JUST because it's a Loti.
If it were anything else it would be a thumbnail hidden in the what's new.
As for 40 grand - they must be havin' a
Might just as well as put 90!
Me?
If it had to be a Loti, and new?
I'd rather be flat out on a dual carriageway in an EXIGE any day (AND probably be easily overtaking any 2-Eleven (should there be a REMOTE chance of encountering one) because if there was the very lightest of showers (that's pretty remote too in the UK
, more likely to be a downpour) the poor sod in the 2-Eleven wouldn't see where he was going and have to pull over in the nearest layby and then bale out - literally!Road car? Laughable.
dandarez said:
As a track day car yes, but 'road'?
The things fills up with water in rain shower, ie just another bath tub and no screen.
WHY do they try and make out these things are dual purpose?
Autocar (Lotus Weekly) has just given it EIGHT pages in their Road Test no. *!***** whatever. ROAD TEST? It's NOT a road car.
WHY do we get this?
EASY. It's JUST because it's a Loti.
If it were anything else it would be a thumbnail hidden in the what's new.
As for 40 grand - they must be havin' a
Might just as well as put 90!
Me?
If it had to be a Loti, and new?
I'd rather be flat out on a dual carriageway in an EXIGE any day (AND probably be easily overtaking any 2-Eleven (should there be a REMOTE chance of encountering one) because if there was the very lightest of showers (that's pretty remote too in the UK, more likely to be a downpour) the poor sod in the 2-Eleven wouldn't see where he was going and have to pull over in the nearest layby and then bale out - literally!
Road car? Laughable.
Don't worry. Nobody is asking you to buy one. Those of us do buy them will do as we do in an Atom or Radical, accept it's limitations and treat it for what it is - bloody great enormous fun. Things called waterproofs, you know - like bikers wear? - will do an admirable job should the weather turn bad The things fills up with water in rain shower, ie just another bath tub and no screen.
WHY do they try and make out these things are dual purpose?
Autocar (Lotus Weekly) has just given it EIGHT pages in their Road Test no. *!***** whatever. ROAD TEST? It's NOT a road car.
WHY do we get this?
EASY. It's JUST because it's a Loti.
If it were anything else it would be a thumbnail hidden in the what's new.
As for 40 grand - they must be havin' a
Might just as well as put 90!
Me?
If it had to be a Loti, and new?
I'd rather be flat out on a dual carriageway in an EXIGE any day (AND probably be easily overtaking any 2-Eleven (should there be a REMOTE chance of encountering one) because if there was the very lightest of showers (that's pretty remote too in the UK
, more likely to be a downpour) the poor sod in the 2-Eleven wouldn't see where he was going and have to pull over in the nearest layby and then bale out - literally!Road car? Laughable.
I can't help thinking back to 1999 when I was suckered into ordering a 340R off the back of a spec sheet, a year before it was released. When it appeared, it had gained 135kg!!, lost its fully adjustable track suspension and was basically an undeveloped pain in the butt. Never again will I listen to Lotus hype.
Sport-Auto in Germany has the first road (p)review:
http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/fahr...
Overall, nice little preview with some nice information and pictures.
Cheers Phil
http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/fahr...
Overall, nice little preview with some nice information and pictures.
Cheers Phil
Edited by Phil-CH on Tuesday 21st August 12:37
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