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Mark-C
1,728 posts
75 months
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I'm lucky ... wanted an XJS when it first came out ... wanted it more when face lifted and relaunched .... never thought I'd own one. But they're incredibly unfashionable and enough around to make them stoking good bargains so I got one.  Some things seem underpriced some overpriced - and, as per the OP, it doesn't make much sense. And I'm now off to the classified - having had a few Celicas the thought of a GT-Four at bargain money is very tempting ....
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Elderly
1,449 posts
108 months
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Unlike residential property where there is easy access to actual sold prices via the Land Registery figures, it's very hard to find out what price was actually paid for a classic car.
There is for example a car that has been advertised on PH for a long period @ £129.500. Last month it was put into auction with an estimate of about £65K-£85K and yet it failed to find a buyer at that level.
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iSore
752 posts
14 months
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Classic car values have reached the point where they make so little sense, I've lost interest. I've never cared much for a 250GTO, 275GTB's or the pig ugly (imo) DB5.They're no longer cars, but investments and I wouldn't cross the road to look at any of them.
However - start talking to me about a 1963 split window Corvette Stingray, a 512BB Boxer, an original 911 Turbo, a 1969 Fastback Mustang, a Citroen SM, an Aston Martin V8 from the seventies or even an early Alfasud and you have my interest. I've always said that even if I won the lottery and had a 2 million quid car collection, I would have fifty less valuable cars and not four silly money ones. For the cost of some mega bucks stuff, I'd rather buy a an old B17 Flying Fortress and take some flying lessons. Beats the hell out of some Ferrari relic fouling its plugs in traffic.
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200Plus Club
803 posts
148 months
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Mark-C said: I'm lucky ... wanted an XJS when it first came out ... wanted it more when face lifted and relaunched .... never thought I'd own one. But they're incredibly unfashionable and enough around to make them stoking good bargains so I got one.  Some things seem underpriced some overpriced - and, as per the OP, it doesn't make much sense. And I'm now off to the classified - having had a few Celicas the thought of a GT-Four at bargain money is very tempting .... i think if you had a nice st205 that was stock, and kept in immaculate condition /stored if you have room, you may find its a potential winner long term. far too many are being written off/crashed/modified and then broken. values have dropped big time, but there are not many cars about unmolested /mint and low miles. stick one away now!
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senatorc
8 posts
87 months
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dartissimus said: You're trying to analyse the market, which is all about sentiment and personal taste, not stats driven "logic". You could start a thread called "the most underated and undervalued classic car". If you're feeling brave it's "the most overated classic car" for which I'd nominate that big truck the E type Jag. (Bricks this way please) Agree with you abou E types, never floated my boat. The "commomn " stuff, MGBs /Midgets etc seem to be stady but early Spitfires / Mk1 GT6s are on the rise. Morris Minors have dropped about 20% in the last five years [too may about] What seems to be on the rise are really nice examples of once common place stuff that has almost vanished. PB /PC Crestas, Ventoras etc, Mk 4 Zodiacs, Westminsters, etc.So many ended up on the banger tracks, tey're all horribly rust prone, and they all like a drink!
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geeman237
121 posts
55 months
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davepoth
20,190 posts
69 months
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geeman237 said: They were better received in the US, I believe, and that is probably the most desirable model. You could probably pick up 20 of the least desirable model for that money here.
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a8hex
3,304 posts
93 months
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Over here, that isn't the most desirable model, generally people prefer the later, stiffer, ones. I've no idea what the US market prefers. That pretty low mileage.
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TJS10
231 posts
71 months
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The anniversary factor ?
50th year of the E Type, MGB and Lotus Elan pushing up prices for events and tours as a wider audience become aware of the models, especially those who could not afford then when younger but can now.
A UK Lotus Elan Sprint for £45k ! - madness. That easily gets a very nice late Ferrari 328
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Mark-C
1,728 posts
75 months
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geeman237 said: But there are plenty of good ones around at the £4-5k mark and it's a hell of car for that sort of money. They take some looking after given the age and complexity but putting a grand aside a year and keeping the mileage down should be fine - well it works for me.
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grumpy52
582 posts
36 months
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It baffles me that cars from my younger days of the 60's-70's-80's that were rubbish when new are now worth so much money. They have not improved after all this time yet the likes of stags,mk1+2escorts fetch such high prices while cars of the same era that were much much better fetch peanuts in comparison.
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grumpy52
582 posts
36 months
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It baffles me that cars from my younger days of the 60's-70's-80's that were rubbish when new are now worth so much money. They have not improved after all this time yet the likes of stags,mk1+2escorts fetch such high prices while cars of the same era that were much much better fetch peanuts in comparison.
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Richie Howard
193 posts
38 months
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grumpy52
582 posts
36 months
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Viva gt's avengers.firenzas mantas.cavs.asconas.dolly sprints. etc as for sports cars .not my bag but worked on stags when they were new and hated driving them.Remember a row of them at the sister dealers across the road all with the fronts sitting high as they had all had empty engine bays . prefered capri's then.
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a8hex
3,304 posts
93 months
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grumpy52 said: Viva gt's avengers.firenzas mantas.cavs.asconas.dolly sprints. etc as for sports cars .not my bag but worked on stags when they were new and hated driving them.Remember a row of them at the sister dealers across the road all with the fronts sitting high as they had all had empty engine bays . prefered capri's then. In the case of Stags I guess that enough people have liked them to workout how to make the engine work properly now. A mate used to have one back in the early 80s, once debugged it was a great car. I'm with you on Dolly's but one of the places I used to work in the 80s had a Manta in the pool, it was a bit of a hoot as a pool car when you knew you'd only have it a day or too while you're hack was in the garage or something, but it was amazing that something that agricultural had managed to stay in production so long.
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bamberwell
1,217 posts
32 months
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a8hex said: grumpy52 said: Viva gt's avengers.firenzas mantas.cavs.asconas.dolly sprints. etc as for sports cars .not my bag but worked on stags when they were new and hated driving them.Remember a row of them at the sister dealers across the road all with the fronts sitting high as they had all had empty engine bays . prefered capri's then. In the case of Stags I guess that enough people have liked them to workout how to make the engine work properly now. A mate used to have one back in the early 80s, once debugged it was a great car. I'm with you on Dolly's but one of the places I used to work in the 80s had a Manta in the pool, it was a bit of a hoot as a pool car when you knew you'd only have it a day or too while you're hack was in the garage or something, but it was amazing that something that agricultural had managed to stay in production so long. have to agree. dollys,avengers,vivas asconas etc were utter s  te, but mantas were a great laugh to drive. i owned a '79 1.9sr and my brother had a '84 gte and they were great and i'd buy one again in a heart beat
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lowdrag
5,665 posts
83 months
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stuarte said: Yes, too precious to use. This, for instance, I find unfathomable: http://www.peterjarvis.net/index.php?page=shop.pro...If there really is, say, an extra £100k value in the fact that it has only covered 15,000 miles, surely it renders it unusable. Put the miles on, watch the value drop off. Or am I missing something here? And would you really want to pay that for a standard(ish) E type (you don't need to answer that, dartissimus!)? The answer is in the eye of the beholder. It isn't original having modified brakes and an uprated engine, so concours is completely out (well, in proper judging anyway) and while it has but 15,000 miles on the clock, is the clock correct? I mean, in my day we disconnected the speedo to reduce the mileage for resale purposes and drove by the rev counter. For me it is a modified driveable car and the "1" should be knocked off the fron of the price.
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iSore
752 posts
14 months
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The individual selling the E Type is known for comedy prices and not actually selling much.
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jamieandthemagic
258 posts
62 months
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To be honest I think hats part of the fun with classics ......... They drop in and out of popularity. Buying something when it's low and selling when on a high feels good.............but not as good as driving, fettling, polishing, loving and smelling them.
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iSore
752 posts
14 months
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jamieandthemagic said: To be honest I think hats part of the fun with classics ......... They drop in and out of popularity. Buying something when it's low and selling when on a high feels good.............but not as good as driving, fettling, polishing, loving and smelling them. Indeed. There's a Guy in my road who has a stunning Cortina 1600E. It gets polished every weekend and it's nice to see it out and about.
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