NO MORE MODIFIED CLASSICS (or any other modifieds either)
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People - the brown stuff is approaching the rotating object at a large number of Leptons...
Please, read, inwardly digest and prepare for a fight!
Follow the link, read the article and the verified links behind it. this has MASSIVE implications.
In a nut-shell if your car isn't as it left the factory (and that includes ALL cars no matter when they were built!) then it will be impossible for it to be MoT'd and therefore you won't legally be able to use it on the road.
It's going to kill an industry, put people out of jobs, to say nothing of stopping us having fun with cars.
Rich-G
Please, read, inwardly digest and prepare for a fight!
Harding91 said:
Spotted this being spammed around lamebook. Any truth behind it at all?
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/
Surely they wont make modifying cars illegal? That's crazy.
Yes, there is a very hard truth to it and if nothing is done about it then in six weeks time it will become EU law.http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/
Surely they wont make modifying cars illegal? That's crazy.
Follow the link, read the article and the verified links behind it. this has MASSIVE implications.
In a nut-shell if your car isn't as it left the factory (and that includes ALL cars no matter when they were built!) then it will be impossible for it to be MoT'd and therefore you won't legally be able to use it on the road.
It's going to kill an industry, put people out of jobs, to say nothing of stopping us having fun with cars.
Rich-G
Another thread already running here...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
... maybe best to concentrate on that one.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
... maybe best to concentrate on that one.
Rich G said:
Yes, there is a very hard truth to it and if nothing is done about it then in six weeks time it will become EU law.
Follow the link, read the article and the verified links behind it. this has MASSIVE implications.
In a nut-shell if your car isn't as it left the factory (and that includes ALL cars no matter when they were built!) then it will be impossible for it to be MoT'd and therefore you won't legally be able to use it on the road.
It's going to kill an industry, put people out of jobs, to say nothing of stopping us having fun with cars.
Rich-G
web address on it's osn reads as comply unbiased viewpoint.Follow the link, read the article and the verified links behind it. this has MASSIVE implications.
In a nut-shell if your car isn't as it left the factory (and that includes ALL cars no matter when they were built!) then it will be impossible for it to be MoT'd and therefore you won't legally be able to use it on the road.
It's going to kill an industry, put people out of jobs, to say nothing of stopping us having fun with cars.
Rich-G
Guys, you may well want to be active with the following thread. It effects all of us 
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Suffice it to say that the headline of this thread is wildly inaccurate. Read the main thread for details, but there is no need to run about and panic just yet.
In summary:-
The draft Regulation is mainly about an EU minimum standard for roadworthiness testing.
It is not mainly about modifications, or classic cars.
The draft regulation will not prevent all modifications.
It will regulate modifications which affect safety or environmental characteristics.
It will allow for testing of modifications.
It will create a new and limited category of historic vehicles, which will not require testing.
Many or even most classic cars will need testing, but will be tested by the standards applicable when they were new. (Note that "historic" and "classic" are not legal terms at present, save that historic has a limited meaning in the UK for road tax purposes).
There remains uncertainty because parts of the draft Regulation and Annexes are ambiguous, and some local rules will be in place in any event.
There is reportedly no budget to implement this (masermartin's good point, not mine). Large scale changes appear unlikely.
There may be hassle for trailer and caravan users.
The draft Regulation is in many ways poorly drafted, but it is not Armageddon.
NB: These are my opinions. and I may be wrong, but I add that I am a practising barrister with over two decades experience, including extensive experience in EU law.
In summary:-
The draft Regulation is mainly about an EU minimum standard for roadworthiness testing.
It is not mainly about modifications, or classic cars.
The draft regulation will not prevent all modifications.
It will regulate modifications which affect safety or environmental characteristics.
It will allow for testing of modifications.
It will create a new and limited category of historic vehicles, which will not require testing.
Many or even most classic cars will need testing, but will be tested by the standards applicable when they were new. (Note that "historic" and "classic" are not legal terms at present, save that historic has a limited meaning in the UK for road tax purposes).
There remains uncertainty because parts of the draft Regulation and Annexes are ambiguous, and some local rules will be in place in any event.
There is reportedly no budget to implement this (masermartin's good point, not mine). Large scale changes appear unlikely.
There may be hassle for trailer and caravan users.
The draft Regulation is in many ways poorly drafted, but it is not Armageddon.
NB: These are my opinions. and I may be wrong, but I add that I am a practising barrister with over two decades experience, including extensive experience in EU law.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 August 21:05
Thanks! Alas, in the main thread, I am being told that I am "Public Enemy Number One", and accused of having contempt for engineers, by a bunch of people who pronounce very firm views on EU rules albeit that some of them can barely spell. They seem to have some sort of vested interest in spreading gloom and doom, and get fearfully cross if anyone suggests that things might not be so very bad after all.
Various car club websites are publishing assorted tosh about this. Not one of them appears to have taken advice from a lawyer about the draft regulation, and some do not even appear to have read it.
Various car club websites are publishing assorted tosh about this. Not one of them appears to have taken advice from a lawyer about the draft regulation, and some do not even appear to have read it.
same sort of thing happened when a militant group of bikes all ganged up and protested well before necessary and ignoring negotiations that hadn't even started
Breadvan72,
If and when I get permission I'll repost your comments elsewhere to bring just a little prospective elsewhere , in another place as some say
Breadvan72,
If and when I get permission I'll repost your comments elsewhere to bring just a little prospective elsewhere , in another place as some say
Please do, and PM me if I can be of direct assistance. I am actually on the side of (safe) modding (but death and ruin to stancing of POS modern cars by Barry the Chav!), and am a firm classic car enthusiast. I am happy to offer a view to interested groups, or to assist in making reps to Brussels.
Breadvan72 said:
(but death and ruin to stancing of POS modern cars by Barry the Chav!), and am a firm classic car enthusiast.
Wow! No wonder I think of this place as Pistonsnobs.....So you favour modding by rich lawyer types with expensive classics but to hell with council estate scum who want to mod their cars? Yes, lets all stand together...
I've seen some snobbery on here but that takes the biskit
( put in a couple of speling misteaks for you too.....)
Ballcocks. One takes a classic car and modifies certain aspects so it can stand up to, and be enjoyable in modern traffic conditions; the other takes a car that has been designed to cope with modern traffic conditions and makes it useless/dangerous (removal of most of the suspension travel, 'stretched' tyres etc.) because they think it looks better...
Humper said:
Breadvan72 said:
(but death and ruin to stancing of POS modern cars by Barry the Chav!), and am a firm classic car enthusiast.
Wow! No wonder I think of this place as Pistonsnobs.....So you favour modding by rich lawyer types with expensive classics but to hell with council estate scum who want to mod their cars? Yes, lets all stand together...
I've seen some snobbery on here but that takes the biskit
( put in a couple of speling misteaks for you too.....)
By the way, I am not rich, and don't modify my old heaps, none of which is worth very much. There is a serious point about regulating unsafe amateur mods, but, in general, if Barry wants to mess about with his Saxo, I don't care.
I would urge everyone to a) go and join in the active thread here
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
B) Please Go and read the whole regulation & associated annexes and please visit the ACE site here http://www.the-ace.org.uk/ who are trying very hard to co-ordinate a stand against this.
Please don't sit back and say well bigdavy says yes its trouble or breadvan72 says no its not so thats all i need to know. the whole thing is wide open to interpretation as to what may or may not happen.
What it boils down to is the EU are making a law which will affect this countries rights to govern it's own motoring system with very little consulation with anyone ( not just the UK ) . Good or bad idea? Can we afford to take the chance ?
Better to fight until we know for sure i say. If we all sit back and do nothing at all and it is badly implemented there will be nothing we can do after the fact.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
B) Please Go and read the whole regulation & associated annexes and please visit the ACE site here http://www.the-ace.org.uk/ who are trying very hard to co-ordinate a stand against this.
Please don't sit back and say well bigdavy says yes its trouble or breadvan72 says no its not so thats all i need to know. the whole thing is wide open to interpretation as to what may or may not happen.
What it boils down to is the EU are making a law which will affect this countries rights to govern it's own motoring system with very little consulation with anyone ( not just the UK ) . Good or bad idea? Can we afford to take the chance ?
Better to fight until we know for sure i say. If we all sit back and do nothing at all and it is badly implemented there will be nothing we can do after the fact.
Breadvan72 said:
Be careful, Dave, you will have Humber the Humourless on your case. This is a serious matter, involving the fundamental human rights of Corsa Colins and Saxo Steves everywhere.
Hmm yes, it's interesting how you need to choose your words depending on where you are posting......Gassing Station | Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff