26 years and never turned a crank! Porshe 928
Discussion
Gents, some advice from the experts please. I have just picked up a 1980 928 that has not run for 26 years!!
Now, I know what I need to do in relation to a lot of things including draining all fluids, however having examined the oil filler I note that the oil in there has "dried out" to a slightly crusty oozy mess.
My worry is that this will have happened throughout the engine and when I go to drop the oil all I will get is a tarry drip.
My question is this therefore, has the oil in the filler simply had contact with air and thus dried up and things in the sump should be better, or
is there something I can pour in to help dissolve the oil back to a fluid before I attempt to drop the oil?
PS starting the engine to "warm it through" is a no no due to lack of fuel lines at the mo!!
Now, I know what I need to do in relation to a lot of things including draining all fluids, however having examined the oil filler I note that the oil in there has "dried out" to a slightly crusty oozy mess.
My worry is that this will have happened throughout the engine and when I go to drop the oil all I will get is a tarry drip.
My question is this therefore, has the oil in the filler simply had contact with air and thus dried up and things in the sump should be better, or
is there something I can pour in to help dissolve the oil back to a fluid before I attempt to drop the oil?
PS starting the engine to "warm it through" is a no no due to lack of fuel lines at the mo!!
I would consider dropping a few cans of the engine flush into the engine, and seeing if that helps disolve the gunk.
Drain what you can from it after doing that then when it comes to start up time (once fuel lines are changed) put in some cheap oil and and filter.
Run it to temp with another load of engine flush, providing it comes up to pressure and temp, then drain again and change oil and filter.
Seems a bit wasteful, but should mean you'll flush out a good percentage of the old sludgy oil.
Drain what you can from it after doing that then when it comes to start up time (once fuel lines are changed) put in some cheap oil and and filter.
Run it to temp with another load of engine flush, providing it comes up to pressure and temp, then drain again and change oil and filter.
Seems a bit wasteful, but should mean you'll flush out a good percentage of the old sludgy oil.
I don't think you're going to find a quick and easy way of solving that issue short of stripping the engine down at least partially.
My worry would be if the gunk is blocking oilways and lack of lubrication to the bearings, piston rings, valve stems etc. Sump off and a good clean out would be best for peace of mind, my 944 was laid up for 8 years and had a nasty blockage from the air oil separator to the sump which caused all sorts of issues.
Also I'd suggest pulling the heads as the head gaskets will most likely be shot. They're a common failure on 944s after so many years which is based on the 928 engine.
My worry would be if the gunk is blocking oilways and lack of lubrication to the bearings, piston rings, valve stems etc. Sump off and a good clean out would be best for peace of mind, my 944 was laid up for 8 years and had a nasty blockage from the air oil separator to the sump which caused all sorts of issues.
Also I'd suggest pulling the heads as the head gaskets will most likely be shot. They're a common failure on 944s after so many years which is based on the 928 engine.
I expect the rings will probably be corrosion welded to the bores.
Don't even crank it by hand yet. Some perceived wsdon is to pour some Marvel Mystery Oil (yes, it really is called that!) into each cylinder and give it a few days.
If you still cannot crank it by hand, do it again. If you still cannot free it, you will need to open it up.
The timing belt will, probably, have degraded too. Attempting to start might result in an unfriendly meetign between valve and piston - so replace the timing belts if you decide to just replace fluids and try to start it.
Don't even crank it by hand yet. Some perceived wsdon is to pour some Marvel Mystery Oil (yes, it really is called that!) into each cylinder and give it a few days.
If you still cannot crank it by hand, do it again. If you still cannot free it, you will need to open it up.
The timing belt will, probably, have degraded too. Attempting to start might result in an unfriendly meetign between valve and piston - so replace the timing belts if you decide to just replace fluids and try to start it.
Gents, thanks for all the kind advice. Some points to cover as requested:
Background, the car was manufactured in 1980 and went to Ireland for two years before returning to the UK and being registered here on a X plate. It then had 6 owners in as many years, one of whom in 1985 decided to upgrade the look of the car to a 928s by the addition of the front and rear spoilers ( to the tune of £726 in 1985, he must have been desperate to keep up with the Jones!!)
In 1988 it was sold to the gentleman I bought it off. This gent was in the habit of keeping lists, and in May 1988 noted that having put 61 litres of fuel into the car it cost him £22 !!!!
However from early 1989, for various reasons non car related, he ended up putting the car away into the garage, and there it stayed.
Last year I purchased a Guards Red 928 for a "Top Gear Challenge" run to a friends wedding in the Czech Republic, and on taking it to work one day, one of my colleagues just had to announce that her FIL had one of "those" cars tucked away in his garage. The rest as they say was history!
Some pictures for those interested:
As usual most of my pictures are too big to load! Will attempt to sort later. As you can see the car is in a fetching shade of blue, unfortunately both the colour & option stickers are missing. The interior as you can see has suffered badly during her sleep, with mildew prevalent on the cloth and leather, and many of the the interior fixings rusted. However, the bodywork is in very good condition with little or no rust. And for me the main thing is that the car is a manual!!!
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So, on to the mechanicals:
The engine has turned by hand quite smoothly, my first priority as I wanted to have this car as a runner and there seemed little point in progressing further if the engine was seized.
Fuel system is shot, so both pumps & filter, all "soft pipes" will be replaced, dropping fuel tank for cleaning and hard pipes flushed through.
Coolant is a big issue on these cars in terms of eating away at the aluminium engine, so drop and flush planned.
Oil, as indicated in my first post is , from first indications of the the oil filler, "manky" so thanks for the options presented above.
As the 4.5 is a non interference, belts are scheduled, but want to see if the engine will run under it's own power first.
Electrics on these beasts are always an issue, and a clean of all grounds, removal of the fuseboard, new battery etc will be done
On 928UK and Rennlist ( where they never seemed phased by cars in even worse condition than this) so lots of good advice, but the crap oil question is one best answered by those who have come across it before I feel!
Thanks for your contributions to date, I know I will be chasing further info and advice and I thank those people who take the time to reply in advance!
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(this shot is of my red one, but gives you some idea!)
Background, the car was manufactured in 1980 and went to Ireland for two years before returning to the UK and being registered here on a X plate. It then had 6 owners in as many years, one of whom in 1985 decided to upgrade the look of the car to a 928s by the addition of the front and rear spoilers ( to the tune of £726 in 1985, he must have been desperate to keep up with the Jones!!)
In 1988 it was sold to the gentleman I bought it off. This gent was in the habit of keeping lists, and in May 1988 noted that having put 61 litres of fuel into the car it cost him £22 !!!!
However from early 1989, for various reasons non car related, he ended up putting the car away into the garage, and there it stayed.
Last year I purchased a Guards Red 928 for a "Top Gear Challenge" run to a friends wedding in the Czech Republic, and on taking it to work one day, one of my colleagues just had to announce that her FIL had one of "those" cars tucked away in his garage. The rest as they say was history!
Some pictures for those interested:
As usual most of my pictures are too big to load! Will attempt to sort later. As you can see the car is in a fetching shade of blue, unfortunately both the colour & option stickers are missing. The interior as you can see has suffered badly during her sleep, with mildew prevalent on the cloth and leather, and many of the the interior fixings rusted. However, the bodywork is in very good condition with little or no rust. And for me the main thing is that the car is a manual!!!
So, on to the mechanicals:
The engine has turned by hand quite smoothly, my first priority as I wanted to have this car as a runner and there seemed little point in progressing further if the engine was seized.
Fuel system is shot, so both pumps & filter, all "soft pipes" will be replaced, dropping fuel tank for cleaning and hard pipes flushed through.
Coolant is a big issue on these cars in terms of eating away at the aluminium engine, so drop and flush planned.
Oil, as indicated in my first post is , from first indications of the the oil filler, "manky" so thanks for the options presented above.
As the 4.5 is a non interference, belts are scheduled, but want to see if the engine will run under it's own power first.
Electrics on these beasts are always an issue, and a clean of all grounds, removal of the fuseboard, new battery etc will be done
On 928UK and Rennlist ( where they never seemed phased by cars in even worse condition than this) so lots of good advice, but the crap oil question is one best answered by those who have come across it before I feel!
Thanks for your contributions to date, I know I will be chasing further info and advice and I thank those people who take the time to reply in advance!
Edited by Mattlan on Tuesday 22 October 09:27
(this shot is of my red one, but gives you some idea!)
Edited by Mattlan on Tuesday 22 October 10:30
Edited by Mattlan on Tuesday 22 October 10:54
Mattlan said:
Gents, thanks for all the kind advice. Some points to cover as requested:
Background, the car was manufactured in 1980 and went to Ireland for two years before returning to the UK and being registered here on a X plate. It then had 6 owners in as many years, one of whom in 1985 decided to upgrade the look of the car to a 928s by the addition of the front and rear spoilers ( to the tune of £726 in 1985, he must have been desperate to keep up with the Jones!!)
In 1988 it was sold to the gentleman I bought it off. This gent was in the habit of keeping lists, and in May 1988 noted that having put 61 litres of fuel into the car it cost him £22 !!!!
However from early 1989, for various reasons non car related, he ended up putting the car away into the garage, and there it stayed.
Last year I purchased a Guards Red 928 for a "Top Gear Challenge" run to a friends wedding in the Czech Republic, and on taking it to work one day, one of my colleagues just had to announce that her FIL had one of "those" cars tucked away in his garage. The rest as they say was history!
Some pictures for those interested:
As usual most of my pictures are too big to load! Will attempt to sort later. As you can see the car is in a fetching shade of blue, unfortunately both the colour & option stickers are missing. The interior as you can see has suffered badly during her sleep, with mildew prevalent on the cloth and leather, and many of the the interior fixings rusted. However, the bodywork is in very good condition with little or no rust. And for me the main thing is that the car is a manual!!!
So, on to the mechanicals:
The engine has turned by hand quite smoothly, my first priority as I wanted to have this car as a runner and there seemed little point in progressing further if the engine was seized.
Fuel system is shot, so both pumps & filter, all "soft pipes" will be replaced, dropping fuel tank for cleaning and hard pipes flushed through.
Coolant is a big issue on these cars in terms of eating away at the aluminium engine, so drop and flush planned.
Oil, as indicated in my first post is , from first indications of the the oil filler, "manky" so thanks for the options presented above.
As the 4.5 is a non interference, belts are scheduled, but want to see if the engine will run under it's own power first.
Electrics on these beasts are always an issue, and a clean of all grounds, removal of the fuseboard, new battery etc will be done
On 928UK and Rennlist ( where they never seemed phased by cars in even worse condition than this) so lots of good advice, but the crap oil question is one best answered by those who have come across it before I feel!
Thanks for your contributions to date, I know I will be chasing further info and advice and I thank those people who take the time to reply in advance!
God that is going to be a magnificent car when it's fettled.Background, the car was manufactured in 1980 and went to Ireland for two years before returning to the UK and being registered here on a X plate. It then had 6 owners in as many years, one of whom in 1985 decided to upgrade the look of the car to a 928s by the addition of the front and rear spoilers ( to the tune of £726 in 1985, he must have been desperate to keep up with the Jones!!)
In 1988 it was sold to the gentleman I bought it off. This gent was in the habit of keeping lists, and in May 1988 noted that having put 61 litres of fuel into the car it cost him £22 !!!!
However from early 1989, for various reasons non car related, he ended up putting the car away into the garage, and there it stayed.
Last year I purchased a Guards Red 928 for a "Top Gear Challenge" run to a friends wedding in the Czech Republic, and on taking it to work one day, one of my colleagues just had to announce that her FIL had one of "those" cars tucked away in his garage. The rest as they say was history!
Some pictures for those interested:
As usual most of my pictures are too big to load! Will attempt to sort later. As you can see the car is in a fetching shade of blue, unfortunately both the colour & option stickers are missing. The interior as you can see has suffered badly during her sleep, with mildew prevalent on the cloth and leather, and many of the the interior fixings rusted. However, the bodywork is in very good condition with little or no rust. And for me the main thing is that the car is a manual!!!
So, on to the mechanicals:
The engine has turned by hand quite smoothly, my first priority as I wanted to have this car as a runner and there seemed little point in progressing further if the engine was seized.
Fuel system is shot, so both pumps & filter, all "soft pipes" will be replaced, dropping fuel tank for cleaning and hard pipes flushed through.
Coolant is a big issue on these cars in terms of eating away at the aluminium engine, so drop and flush planned.
Oil, as indicated in my first post is , from first indications of the the oil filler, "manky" so thanks for the options presented above.
As the 4.5 is a non interference, belts are scheduled, but want to see if the engine will run under it's own power first.
Electrics on these beasts are always an issue, and a clean of all grounds, removal of the fuseboard, new battery etc will be done
On 928UK and Rennlist ( where they never seemed phased by cars in even worse condition than this) so lots of good advice, but the crap oil question is one best answered by those who have come across it before I feel!
Thanks for your contributions to date, I know I will be chasing further info and advice and I thank those people who take the time to reply in advance!
Edited by Mattlan on Tuesday 22 October 09:27
Gorgeous.
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