COOL CLASSIC CAR SPOTTERS POST!!! Vol 2

COOL CLASSIC CAR SPOTTERS POST!!! Vol 2

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McAndy

12,456 posts

177 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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That Alfa: wow! What is it? Headlights look like those on one of the BAT concepts.

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

163 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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That Alfa is very nice.

Bet it gets hot inside that glasshouse.

Trevatanus

11,123 posts

150 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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McAndy said:
That Alfa: wow! What is it? Headlights look like those on one of the BAT concepts.
A one off apparently

nicanary

9,795 posts

146 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Trevatanus said:
McAndy said:
That Alfa: wow! What is it? Headlights look like those on one of the BAT concepts.
A one off apparently
Built by Pininfarina in 1959 on an earlier 6C3000CM chassis.

RichardM5

1,738 posts

136 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I believe it's the 1960 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Superflow IV which started life in the early 50's as a race car driven by Fangio.

viscountdallara

2,818 posts

145 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Bury St Edmunds today.

McAndy

12,456 posts

177 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Thanks for the Alfa info, All. I'm normally pretty good on my classic "specials", but I'd not seen that one before. smile

Allan L

783 posts

105 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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RichardM5 said:
I believe it's the 1960 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Superflow IV which started life in the early 50's as a race car driven by Fangio.
Was it this one (JMF Mille Miglia, 1953)?


If so, I prefer the original.

Fury RS

463 posts

182 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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A Tuscan Beige Mk2 Escort 1300 Sport passed me this morning, Pontypool - Abergavenny road near the old ICI plant.
Looked very crisp, if it was a genuine 'Sport' quite a rare car with the 1300 engine as most buyers back in the day opted for the 1600...

nicanary

9,795 posts

146 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Allan L said:
RichardM5 said:
I believe it's the 1960 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Superflow IV which started life in the early 50's as a race car driven by Fangio.
Was it this one (JMF Mille Miglia, 1953)?


If so, I prefer the original.
I hope Pininfarina fixed the steering...........

McAndy

12,456 posts

177 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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RichardM5 said:
Cracking, thank you.

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

163 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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The fancy Alfa has been re bodied 4 times at least, after reading that article.^^^^.

Rather a long winded full title though.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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lucido grigio said:
The fancy Alfa has been re bodied 4 times at least, after reading that article.^^^^.

Rather a long winded full title though.
One "famous old race car" owner I know/calls his car as That Old Broom

3x Bodies
5x Chassis

There is as far as I know now 1 chassis leg and a rear shroud section (but behind the wings) that have not been replaced over the years.
The car is worth a fortune

Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 17th March 18:41

TR4man

5,227 posts

174 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
lucido grigio said:
The fancy Alfa has been re bodied 4 times at least, after reading that article.^^^^.

Rather a long winded full title though.
One "famous old race car" owner I know calls his car as That Old Broom

3x Bodies
5x Chassis

There is as far as I know now 1 chassis leg and a rear shroud section (but behind the wings) that have nor been replaced over the years.
The car is worth a fortune
Trigger's broom.

I would imagine there are quite a few valuable cars that have been similarly "restored" rolleyes

4rephill

5,040 posts

178 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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TR4man said:
Trigger's broom.

I would imagine there are quite a few valuable cars that have been similarly "restored" rolleyes
So is it your opinion that any car that suffers any chassis damage should never be rebuilt again regardless of the extent of the damage, and should be instantly destroyed?

Or is there some percentage of chassis damage up to which it is okay to replace, but beyond which the car should be destroyed? - And if so, at what percentage of chassis replacement should it be deemed that the car has to be destroyed?: 25%?, 50%?, 75%?, 100%?

What if a complete new chassis is available from the original manufacturer?

Funnily enough, on Quest TV today they showed the episode of "Wheeler Dealers" in which they buy a Morgan Plus4 with severe chassis damage. To sort the car out, they bought a brand new, uprated and galvanised chassis from the Morgan factory, who appear to treat the chassis as just anther car part.

There was no mention of the car having to be registered as a new car due to the chassis being replaced (TBF, there was no mention of the original chassis number being re-used either - that would have been both interesting and useful information to have included in the programme), and a quick search of the net gives the impression that when you buy a new chassis form Morgan, they will quite happily put the old chassis number on it (Perhaps owners with experience of such Chassis replacements could clarify the situation).

At no point is there any suggestion made that the car is no longer recognised as being the original car.

Assuming the "Wheeler Dealers" Morgan didn't require being registered as a new car due to the chassis replacement, and is quite happily accepted as still being the original car due to the rest of the cars main parts still being the original parts (body, drive train, and interior - They did upgrade some of the suspension with new components), what happens if later in the cars life it gets crashed and requires a new body, but not another chassis?

Should the car then be scrapped off even though the replacement chassis is undamaged?, or is it okay to put a new body on the car?

In your opinion, at what point should that car no longer exist?


I get your point that, at what point does the car stop being the original car?, but is it not better that these cars still exist at all, rather than be lost for ever due to the requirement of what is in many cases with older classic cars, still a replaceable (if rather large!) component?

(Yes the chassis is a major component of a car, but the engine/drive train is just as much a major component of the car, and we don't demand that old classic cars are sent to the scrapyard if those components require replacing due to the originals no longer repairable!)

So the Alfa Romeo mentioned is a "Trigger's Broom" car! - Would it really be better if that car no longer existed at all?





dbdb

4,326 posts

173 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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viscountdallara said:
Bury St Edmunds today.
Magnificent.

dbdb

4,326 posts

173 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Trevatanus said:
Just appeared on my Facebook feed.
Omg that is beautiful. Spotted in Waterlooville apparently

That looks highly unusual, but I really like it.

ncbbmw

410 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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4rephill said:
What if a complete new chassis is available from the original manufacturer?

Funnily enough, on Quest TV today they showed the episode of "Wheeler Dealers" in which they buy a Morgan Plus4 with severe chassis damage. To sort the car out, they bought a brand new, uprated and galvanised chassis from the Morgan factory, who appear to treat the chassis as just anther car part.

There was no mention of the car having to be registered as a new car due to the chassis being replaced (TBF, there was no mention of the original chassis number being re-used either - that would have been both interesting and useful information to have included in the programme), and a quick search of the net gives the impression that when you buy a new chassis form Morgan, they will quite happily put the old chassis number on it (Perhaps owners with experience of such Chassis replacements could clarify the situation).

At no point is there any suggestion made that the car is no longer recognised as being the original car.

Assuming the "Wheeler Dealers" Morgan didn't require being registered as a new car due to the chassis replacement, and is quite happily accepted as still being the original car due to the rest of the cars main parts still being the original parts (body, drive train, and interior - They did upgrade some of the suspension with new components), what happens if later in the cars life it gets crashed and requires a new body, but not another chassis?

Should the car then be scrapped off even though the replacement chassis is undamaged?, or is it okay to put a new body on the car?
The term 'chassis number' is rather dated, these days vehicles have a 17 digit VIN 'Vehicle Identification Number' so no action req'd with the DVLA.

Replacing the chassis rail is no different to fitting a new bulb, its just another component.

BlueHave

4,651 posts

108 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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dbdb said:
Trevatanus said:
Just appeared on my Facebook feed.
Omg that is beautiful. Spotted in Waterlooville apparently

That looks highly unusual, but I really like it.
Not sure about the Alfa badge on the bonnet, doesn't look very original

As for the car itself lick
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