COOL CLASSIC CAR SPOTTERS POST!!! Vol 2
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lucido grigio said:
The fancy Alfa has been re bodied 4 times at least, after reading that article.^^^^.
Rather a long winded full title though.
One "famous old race car" owner I know/calls his car as That Old BroomRather a long winded full title though.
3x Bodies
5x Chassis
There is as far as I know now 1 chassis leg and a rear shroud section (but behind the wings) that have not been replaced over the years.
The car is worth a fortune
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 17th March 18:41
Stickyfinger said:
lucido grigio said:
The fancy Alfa has been re bodied 4 times at least, after reading that article.^^^^.
Rather a long winded full title though.
One "famous old race car" owner I know calls his car as That Old BroomRather a long winded full title though.
3x Bodies
5x Chassis
There is as far as I know now 1 chassis leg and a rear shroud section (but behind the wings) that have nor been replaced over the years.
The car is worth a fortune
I would imagine there are quite a few valuable cars that have been similarly "restored"
TR4man said:
Trigger's broom.
I would imagine there are quite a few valuable cars that have been similarly "restored"
So is it your opinion that any car that suffers any chassis damage should never be rebuilt again regardless of the extent of the damage, and should be instantly destroyed?I would imagine there are quite a few valuable cars that have been similarly "restored"
Or is there some percentage of chassis damage up to which it is okay to replace, but beyond which the car should be destroyed? - And if so, at what percentage of chassis replacement should it be deemed that the car has to be destroyed?: 25%?, 50%?, 75%?, 100%?
What if a complete new chassis is available from the original manufacturer?
Funnily enough, on Quest TV today they showed the episode of "Wheeler Dealers" in which they buy a Morgan Plus4 with severe chassis damage. To sort the car out, they bought a brand new, uprated and galvanised chassis from the Morgan factory, who appear to treat the chassis as just anther car part.
There was no mention of the car having to be registered as a new car due to the chassis being replaced (TBF, there was no mention of the original chassis number being re-used either - that would have been both interesting and useful information to have included in the programme), and a quick search of the net gives the impression that when you buy a new chassis form Morgan, they will quite happily put the old chassis number on it (Perhaps owners with experience of such Chassis replacements could clarify the situation).
At no point is there any suggestion made that the car is no longer recognised as being the original car.
Assuming the "Wheeler Dealers" Morgan didn't require being registered as a new car due to the chassis replacement, and is quite happily accepted as still being the original car due to the rest of the cars main parts still being the original parts (body, drive train, and interior - They did upgrade some of the suspension with new components), what happens if later in the cars life it gets crashed and requires a new body, but not another chassis?
Should the car then be scrapped off even though the replacement chassis is undamaged?, or is it okay to put a new body on the car?
In your opinion, at what point should that car no longer exist?
I get your point that, at what point does the car stop being the original car?, but is it not better that these cars still exist at all, rather than be lost for ever due to the requirement of what is in many cases with older classic cars, still a replaceable (if rather large!) component?
(Yes the chassis is a major component of a car, but the engine/drive train is just as much a major component of the car, and we don't demand that old classic cars are sent to the scrapyard if those components require replacing due to the originals no longer repairable!)
So the Alfa Romeo mentioned is a "Trigger's Broom" car! - Would it really be better if that car no longer existed at all?
4rephill said:
What if a complete new chassis is available from the original manufacturer?
Funnily enough, on Quest TV today they showed the episode of "Wheeler Dealers" in which they buy a Morgan Plus4 with severe chassis damage. To sort the car out, they bought a brand new, uprated and galvanised chassis from the Morgan factory, who appear to treat the chassis as just anther car part.
There was no mention of the car having to be registered as a new car due to the chassis being replaced (TBF, there was no mention of the original chassis number being re-used either - that would have been both interesting and useful information to have included in the programme), and a quick search of the net gives the impression that when you buy a new chassis form Morgan, they will quite happily put the old chassis number on it (Perhaps owners with experience of such Chassis replacements could clarify the situation).
At no point is there any suggestion made that the car is no longer recognised as being the original car.
Assuming the "Wheeler Dealers" Morgan didn't require being registered as a new car due to the chassis replacement, and is quite happily accepted as still being the original car due to the rest of the cars main parts still being the original parts (body, drive train, and interior - They did upgrade some of the suspension with new components), what happens if later in the cars life it gets crashed and requires a new body, but not another chassis?
Should the car then be scrapped off even though the replacement chassis is undamaged?, or is it okay to put a new body on the car?
The term 'chassis number' is rather dated, these days vehicles have a 17 digit VIN 'Vehicle Identification Number' so no action req'd with the DVLA.Funnily enough, on Quest TV today they showed the episode of "Wheeler Dealers" in which they buy a Morgan Plus4 with severe chassis damage. To sort the car out, they bought a brand new, uprated and galvanised chassis from the Morgan factory, who appear to treat the chassis as just anther car part.
There was no mention of the car having to be registered as a new car due to the chassis being replaced (TBF, there was no mention of the original chassis number being re-used either - that would have been both interesting and useful information to have included in the programme), and a quick search of the net gives the impression that when you buy a new chassis form Morgan, they will quite happily put the old chassis number on it (Perhaps owners with experience of such Chassis replacements could clarify the situation).
At no point is there any suggestion made that the car is no longer recognised as being the original car.
Assuming the "Wheeler Dealers" Morgan didn't require being registered as a new car due to the chassis replacement, and is quite happily accepted as still being the original car due to the rest of the cars main parts still being the original parts (body, drive train, and interior - They did upgrade some of the suspension with new components), what happens if later in the cars life it gets crashed and requires a new body, but not another chassis?
Should the car then be scrapped off even though the replacement chassis is undamaged?, or is it okay to put a new body on the car?
Replacing the chassis rail is no different to fitting a new bulb, its just another component.
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