Distributor Issues

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Mk3Spitfire

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Wednesday 25th June 2014
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RicksAlfas said:
I wouldn't have thought so?
The electronic ignition conversion won't alter the mechanical tachometer drive if they are using your original distributor.
Ah ok, I see now. So by keeping the old distributor and simply converting that, it negates any need for the new rev counter. That sounds like the best plan then. Thank you.

//j17

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223 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Swapping to an electronic tacho from a 1500 Spitfire isn't a big deal. Look exactly the same and there's one on eBay at the moment for £20, so hardly a bank-breaker. Wiring simple too.

Mk3Spitfire

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Thursday 26th June 2014
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//j17 said:
Swapping to an electronic tacho from a 1500 Spitfire isn't a big deal. Look exactly the same and there's one on eBay at the moment for £20, so hardly a bank-breaker. Wiring simple too.
It's actually a 1300, but that shouldn't make too much difference should it?

nta16

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234 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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//j17 said:
Swapping to an electronic tacho from a 1500 Spitfire isn't a big deal.

//j17

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Thursday 26th June 2014
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Mk3Spitfire said:
//j17 said:
Swapping to an electronic tacho from a 1500 Spitfire isn't a big deal. Look exactly the same and there's one on eBay at the moment for £20, so hardly a bank-breaker. Wiring simple too.
It's actually a 1300, but that shouldn't make too much difference should it?
What I was trying to say was that up to the Mk IV Spitfire's had the AC Delco dizzy with the mechanical drive/tacho. The 1500 switched to a Lucas dizzy/electronic tacho and the tacho from a 1500 Spit. can be easilly fitted to an earlier car.

One thing I forgot though is that while the Mk IV/1500 have the same style of gauge so don't look any different before/after the swap the Mk 3 had a different style of gauge so won't look so original.

Mk3Spitfire

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Thursday 26th June 2014
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//j17 said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
//j17 said:
Swapping to an electronic tacho from a 1500 Spitfire isn't a big deal. Look exactly the same and there's one on eBay at the moment for £20, so hardly a bank-breaker. Wiring simple too.
It's actually a 1300, but that shouldn't make too much difference should it?
What I was trying to say was that up to the Mk IV Spitfire's had the AC Delco dizzy with the mechanical drive/tacho. The 1500 switched to a Lucas dizzy/electronic tacho and the tacho from a 1500 Spit. can be easilly fitted to an earlier car.

One thing I forgot though is that while the Mk IV/1500 have the same style of gauge so don't look any different before/after the swap the Mk 3 had a different style of gauge so won't look so original.
Ah I see, sorry. I have found the one you speak of on eBay. The only problem the would be that it does look very different to the others. I will have to see if I can somehow make it look the same...or maybe source a similar one to the other dials from somewhere.

Mk3Spitfire

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Tuesday 1st July 2014
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-T120-TR6-SPEEDO-...


Would something like that work in my case? Its actually quite similar to a Mk3's dial. More so than the Mk4 dials.

Mk3Spitfire

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Tuesday 1st July 2014
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaeger-Tachometer-Rev-Co...



This one looks better, but appears to be shot.

Mk3Spitfire

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Friday 4th July 2014
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A little update:
The distributor has come back. Fully refurbed and converted to electronic. So ive slotted it in, plugged in everything I can remember, and fired it up. Nothing. I have taken some pictures which I'll upload when on computer next, but any thoughts? It turns over nicely but nothing more.

nta16

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Friday 4th July 2014
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probably just needs setting up, turn to get to timing to get started

car battery fully charged and all main connections in good condition, clean, secure and protected?

HT leads in correct firing order?

is there a good spark at each plug? if not what about from coil lead?

HT leads clean and in good condition, ends securely fitted and protected?

Edited by nta16 on Friday 4th July 17:19

Mk3Spitfire

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Friday 4th July 2014
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Thanks nta.

Ht leads are new and in good condition. I'm pretty sure the position is right but I didn't have the manual to hand. I'll double check it later.
I think the spark plugs are fine. They were with the old dissy and it was only a couple of weeks ago I checked them. Again, I'll double check when I get a chance.

nta16

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Friday 4th July 2014
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thanks to FRM for the very clear photo of the HT leads layout

the firing order is 1 – 3 – 4 – 2 anti-clockwise (counter clockwise, CCW) as you look at the distributor from above it (clearly shown in the photo, also note the short neatly fitted HT leads)

number one cylinder (far left of photo) is nearest to
. the radiator
. the front of the engine
. the front of the car



Edited by nta16 on Friday 4th July 16:31

nta16

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Friday 4th July 2014
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never hurts to have the plugs clean and dry

plus check the gaping (you can usually widen the gap to take advantage of good electronic sparking)

Mk3Spitfire

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Saturday 5th July 2014
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Thanks for that picture. Very clear and helpful.
Pretty sure plugs, gaps, leads etc are spot on. It almost sounds like girl starvation when it's turning over. Would removing the distributor cause any kind of air block or similar?

droopsnoot

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242 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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Mk3Spitfire said:
It almost sounds like girl starvation when it's turning over.
Mind elsewhere?

Mk3Spitfire

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Saturday 5th July 2014
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droopsnoot said:
Mind elsewhere?
Ha! Brilliant autocorrect! FUEL starvation!

RicksAlfas

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244 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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Check the contact post in the centre of the dissy cap hasn't gone AWOL.
Are you sure the cap isn't on 180 degrees out?

nta16

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Saturday 5th July 2014
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the distributor you took out was old and worn with a broken plate, you are replacing it with a new fully electronic conversion so the settings may not be the same

you should have got instructions of how to install the new dissy it maybe you now need to loosen off the clamping clamp and set the dissy slightly forward or backward to get it going then further adjust to get it running right - but consult the dissy rebuilders as I for one don't know exactly what you've got

after setting the timing you also need to check and possibly adjust your carbs mixture (this assumes your tappets are set well or fairly recently checked/adjusted)

always with staring problems you want a full charge battery in good condition and all major cables, etc., etc - put your battery on charge now to charge over night

a drained battery could disguise when you solve your problem by not having the power left to start the car

Edited by nta16 on Saturday 5th July 21:09

Mk3Spitfire

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Sunday 17th August 2014
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Ok, so my aforementioned mechanic friend from work came out to try and sort out my dissy issues today after a month or so of the car sitting in the garage.

He checked the dissy/rotor arm position etc etc and all seemed ok. He also used a volt-meter thing(?) to check the currant between the various components, and everything seemed good. Unfortunately however, the seems to be something wrong between the coil and the dissy. The power is going to the coil but it appears that there is no output from the coil. There were no issues with the coil when it had the points fitted, and he couldn't work out what else it could be. He is giving me a spare coil tomorrow which he knows works, just to negate this if nothing else. If it is not the coil, the only thing he could think of was that the dissy might be faulty?

Any ideas?

nta16

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Sunday 17th August 2014
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dissy installed/wired incorrectly?