Will the Silverstone Lusso beat top estimate?

Will the Silverstone Lusso beat top estimate?

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Vanin

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166 months

thegreenhell

15,250 posts

219 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Lussos at the Monterey auctions last week were only going for around $2M (~£1.2M), so £2M would be a surprise.

aeropilot

34,482 posts

227 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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My favourite Ferrari.

Lovely colour too smile

The glorious ex-McQueen Lusso sold for US$2.3m back in 2007, bought by an anonymous British buyer, and is kept here in the UK.
Reputed to be valued at £5m now.....eek


lowdrag

12,873 posts

213 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Flying a kite is easy. Getting it to land is harder. Mind you, a standard flat floor E-type, not an outside lock car, sold for $440,000 last weekend so what do I know? The world is the seller's oyster it seems.

Vanin

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1,010 posts

166 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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I think that the bit extra factors with this car may help it on its way.
One of 17 remaining right hand drive cars, a great colour combination, restoration by one of the best firms in the world.
Interesting to see the result for the "Are things turning" thread here

POORCARDEALER

8,524 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Wont fetch 2M ....my guess is £1.2

Streetrod

6,468 posts

206 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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I know this car well, if fact I made enquires about it about two years ago when it was up for sale for just under £700k. Even at that time that would have made it the most expensive Lusso on the market.

Its current auction estimate I think is at this time very high as again this will make it the most expensive Lusso to come to market this year. To illustrate the top price paid at auction this year was £1.475 million, and that was a show quality car which makes it almost £250k lower than the low estimate for this one.

And here's the rub, as good a general restoration as this car is it does have a number of issues that would preclude it from gaining top marks on a show field and at this level these car have to be period correct. This car is not.

I could well be proved wrong but I will be very surprised if I am

Vanin

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Thursday 28th August 2014
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And here's the rub, as good a general restoration as this car is it does have a number of issues that would preclude it from gaining top marks on a show field and at this level these car have to be period correct. This car is not

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So what issues does it have?

Streetrod

6,468 posts

206 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Vanin said:
And here's the rub, as good a general restoration as this car is it does have a number of issues that would preclude it from gaining top marks on a show field and at this level these car have to be period correct. This car is not
So what issues does it have?
There are a number of mistakes and problems both mechanical and cosmetic. For a start the car is not its original colour. The rear bumper as mentioned is off a 275, it is missing its grille badge, the rear parcel shelf is not black and the trim pattern on the doors is incorrect. Foskers in the UK were commissioned to check the car over when it arrived and their list of faults and non original parts was huge. The restoration in NZ used a large amount of replica items including door furniture, handles, all the light lens etc. At best they should have used the original items, at worst new old stock.

I think the problem came down to the inexperience of the restorers on this particular model. It would not be difficult to fix the issues, but they are issues. If you are buying at car at this level you should feel assured its perfect and any issues such as they are should be pointed out in the sales literature


Vanin

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166 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Thank you Streetrod, that was most illuminating

Vanin

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Thursday 4th September 2014
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POORCARDEALER said:
Wont fetch 2M ....my guess is £1.2
1.65 million, not a bad result

northo

2,375 posts

219 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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Full list of Salon Prive 2014 auction results here.

Generally speaking cars failed to make the expected values and the Stradale Collection didn't make what was expected.

EXKAY120

503 posts

117 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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Good news cars did`nt make there estimates in my opinion, its about time all these silly prices for cars slowed down, i`m a Jag man myself, and the ridiculous prices that people (especially traders) are asking for the likes of E Types and XK`s makes them not possible to afford for the real enthusiasts, 150,200k for E Types, bloody stupid,there not worth that kind of money,well thats my little gripe over for the day :-)

Vanin

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166 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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Agree with you on stooopid prices. But at least you can enjoy a well restored E Type on a daily basis whereas over 20 million on a GTO? You could only really enjoy it on a race track and you would be so scared of damaging it if you only wanted it for Pebble Beach and the like. I suspect a long European tour in it would be hell with the noise, heat, burning clutch and lack of storage space!

The trouble is that there is so much money in certain parts of the world now especially China and India, and when they start reading Classic Cars magazines and seeing these beautiful cars which are made in relatively tiny numbers, then money really is no object.

DonkeyApple

55,139 posts

169 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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The entire spectrum at the uber wealthy end has taken a breather. NY & London resi, fine art etc. these stores of wealth have all seen inflation taper towards the end of the season.

It seemed to begin before the latest Iraq mess but that won't be helping but Ukraine is certainly in there somewhere. The markets as a whole are suddenly wary of a possible spike in oil (the precursor to any post war recession) while at the same time the printing presses have been slowing and cash regaining value.

All bubble bursting a have a trigger and in this market it will start with failed auctions and after that my guess is a lawsuit as a recent buyer gets cold feet Nd then we'll have the forced margin sales.

But to be honest, unless we do get a big spike in oil then I think this is just a breather until spring.

Cheib

23,205 posts

175 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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Amazing how interested parties like DK, Tom Hartley etc all tweeting what a great job Silverstone did last night....

EXKAY120

503 posts

117 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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I wonder if Eagle are celebrating with silverstone auctions job ?

Cheib

23,205 posts

175 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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EXKAY120 said:
I wonder if Eagle are celebrating with silverstone auctions job ?
Not sure Henry Pearman has got much to complain about when you look at this http://www.classicandsportsfinance.com/wp-content/...

F40 guide price was £600k to £750k...they got a £600k bid but it didn't sell.

Willhire89

1,328 posts

205 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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Cheib said:
Amazing how interested parties like DK, Tom Hartley etc all tweeting what a great job Silverstone did last night....
To get £954,500 for a DB6 Volante is a great job

That's bonkers

EXKAY120

503 posts

117 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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But it seems a few sold under estimate, and a few not sold.....