Tyre advice from Longstone Tyres
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marshalla said:
Lotus Excel and also Audi Quattro.
I'm sorry to say there isn't a really good tyre in the size 205/60R14. to be brutally frank, i can't see things changing because there is very minimal demand. Also when we get into this period and these tyre sizes, people often tend to change wheels so what demand there is gets diluted.
LongstoneTyres said:
marshalla said:
Lotus Excel and also Audi Quattro.
I'm sorry to say there isn't a really good tyre in the size 205/60R14. to be brutally frank, i can't see things changing because there is very minimal demand. Also when we get into this period and these tyre sizes, people often tend to change wheels so what demand there is gets diluted.
marshalla said:
215/50/15 NOT 205/60/14
Ooops! sorry, I'm mixing up my posts. The Michelin TB is probably the closest solution for a top quality sports car tyre. They are ace, but they are a bit of a racing tyre. However the 18/60-15 TB15 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/18-60-15-mich... has the normal tyre size described as 215/55R15. with an overall diameter of 612mm I think a 215/50R15 should have the diameter of 595mm.
The other option i have for you would be 225/50R15 Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetico http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/225-50zr15-pi... this is a countache front tyre. This is a good price for what it is and more of a road tyre.
To really put my cards on the table i don't know of an ideal solution. my best suggestion is can you come Longstone Tyres DN10 6NX https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Longstone+Tyre... . if you came in the car we could faff about an see if any of these tyres fit.
a8hex said:
You can't still get your hands on the Pirrelli P6000 225/55VR16's for an X300 Jaguar can you?
My local tyre guy could find 2 a week or so ago but when I went back to him they'd gone and the P7s I've fitted instead don't ride like the P6000s did.
Sorry it does seem that Pirelli have stopped making the P6000.My local tyre guy could find 2 a week or so ago but when I went back to him they'd gone and the P7s I've fitted instead don't ride like the P6000s did.
LongstoneTyres said:
a8hex said:
You can't still get your hands on the Pirrelli P6000 225/55VR16's for an X300 Jaguar can you?
My local tyre guy could find 2 a week or so ago but when I went back to him they'd gone and the P7s I've fitted instead don't ride like the P6000s did.
Sorry it does seem that Pirelli have stopped making the P6000.My local tyre guy could find 2 a week or so ago but when I went back to him they'd gone and the P7s I've fitted instead don't ride like the P6000s did.
and it looks like the channel has quickly emptied of them too. V8forweekends said:
I will start by saying that whilst in no way criticising, I may be simply unable to afford any recommendations - sadly my hobby car costs have had to be trimmed in line with other economies due to a 40% decline in income since 2008 (not whining just saying) - and I do about 500 miles in a good year in my "summer" car.
I have a 1968 AMC that was originally fitted with 7.75 x 14 Crossplies. When I bought it it was fitted with commercial van tyres (still is) - 195 X 14 at the front and 205 X 14 at the rear.
I don't need super handing as the car isn't fast and it's very soft and wallowy in the American way, but it would be nice to get a set of 14" radials that could approximate the rolling radius of the crossplies.
Hmm I'm sorry. the tyre i recomend is a 205VR14 Michelin XWX http://www.borrani.com/page/205vr14-michelin-xwx.h... but this is a high performance tyre for a Ferrari 275 GTB http://www.borrani.com/page/ferrari-275-gtb4-wheel... this tyre also fits a MK10 Jaguar http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/jaguar-mk10 and they also struggle justifying the price of the tyre and fit 15" XJ6 wheels instead.
I can get you some tyres 215/75R14 which is close and they have white walls. they aren't for nothing, but if you email info@longstonetyres.co.uk or ring 00 44 1302 711123 we will do what we can.
On second thoughts is it the 8 cylinder Ambassador? some of the other models of American Motors Corporation cars would get away with fitting a 195/75r14 tyre. which is smaller in diameter than the 205Vr14 (or 775-14 crossply for that matter) but we do have a tyre that is a great bargain http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/195-75r14-han...
do the tyres you have on now seem a little tall?
I will start by saying that whilst in no way criticising, I may be simply unable to afford any recommendations - sadly my hobby car costs have had to be trimmed in line with other economies due to a 40% decline in income since 2008 (not whining just saying) - and I do about 500 miles in a good year in my "summer" car.
I have a 1968 AMC that was originally fitted with 7.75 x 14 Crossplies. When I bought it it was fitted with commercial van tyres (still is) - 195 X 14 at the front and 205 X 14 at the rear.
I don't need super handing as the car isn't fast and it's very soft and wallowy in the American way, but it would be nice to get a set of 14" radials that could approximate the rolling radius of the crossplies.
Hmm I'm sorry. the tyre i recomend is a 205VR14 Michelin XWX http://www.borrani.com/page/205vr14-michelin-xwx.h... but this is a high performance tyre for a Ferrari 275 GTB http://www.borrani.com/page/ferrari-275-gtb4-wheel... this tyre also fits a MK10 Jaguar http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/jaguar-mk10 and they also struggle justifying the price of the tyre and fit 15" XJ6 wheels instead.
I can get you some tyres 215/75R14 which is close and they have white walls. they aren't for nothing, but if you email info@longstonetyres.co.uk or ring 00 44 1302 711123 we will do what we can.
On second thoughts is it the 8 cylinder Ambassador? some of the other models of American Motors Corporation cars would get away with fitting a 195/75r14 tyre. which is smaller in diameter than the 205Vr14 (or 775-14 crossply for that matter) but we do have a tyre that is a great bargain http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/195-75r14-han...
do the tyres you have on now seem a little tall?
LongstoneTyres said:
I think the thing is you've got the wrong car. Might i suggest you buy my Bond Minicar off me instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ZKOPmeU7c&li...
you are right there is nothing around in the 205/60R14 that you would get excited about. Falken is about as good as it gets. and to be honest you are as well buying them from a local tyre dealer there would be no benefit buying them through me.
A 215/60R14 in theory should be 6mm taller in radius and 10mm wider. I'm not overly enthusiastic about the B F Goodrich Comp T/A on a car like a Lotus. more of a muscle car tyre. However some people do like them
Ha, the Bond Minicar is excellent you are right there is nothing around in the 205/60R14 that you would get excited about. Falken is about as good as it gets. and to be honest you are as well buying them from a local tyre dealer there would be no benefit buying them through me.
A 215/60R14 in theory should be 6mm taller in radius and 10mm wider. I'm not overly enthusiastic about the B F Goodrich Comp T/A on a car like a Lotus. more of a muscle car tyre. However some people do like them
, Pretty much confirmed what i thought about tyre choice in that size, thought i'd ask anyway, cheers for the advice
LongstoneTyres said:
Hmm I'm sorry. the tyre i recomend is a 205VR14 Michelin XWX http://www.borrani.com/page/205vr14-michelin-xwx.h... but this is a high performance tyre for a Ferrari 275 GTB http://www.borrani.com/page/ferrari-275-gtb4-wheel... this tyre also fits a MK10 Jaguar http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/jaguar-mk10 and they also struggle justifying the price of the tyre and fit 15" XJ6 wheels instead.
I can get you some tyres 215/75R14 which is close and they have white walls. they aren't for nothing, but if you email info@longstonetyres.co.uk or ring 00 44 1302 711123 we will do what we can.
On second thoughts is it the 8 cylinder Ambassador? some of the other models of American Motors Corporation cars would get away with fitting a 195/75r14 tyre. which is smaller in diameter than the 205Vr14 (or 775-14 crossply for that matter) but we do have a tyre that is a great bargain http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/195-75r14-han...
do the tyres you have on now seem a little tall?
Thanks, it's a V8 Rebel - the current tyres are a little tall compared with the crossplies (I have a '67 for parts still fitted with the original crossplies) Those Hankooks and Hercules look quite reasonable :-)I can get you some tyres 215/75R14 which is close and they have white walls. they aren't for nothing, but if you email info@longstonetyres.co.uk or ring 00 44 1302 711123 we will do what we can.
On second thoughts is it the 8 cylinder Ambassador? some of the other models of American Motors Corporation cars would get away with fitting a 195/75r14 tyre. which is smaller in diameter than the 205Vr14 (or 775-14 crossply for that matter) but we do have a tyre that is a great bargain http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/195-75r14-han...
do the tyres you have on now seem a little tall?
V8forweekends said:
Thanks, it's a V8 Rebel - the current tyres are a little tall compared with the crossplies (I have a '67 for parts still fitted with the original crossplies) Those Hankooks and Hercules look quite reasonable :-)
HiI think a Rebel fitted a 6.35X14 (I think it was the Rebel Wagon that fitted a 7.75X14) a radial alternative to 6.35X14 would be 195/75R14. The 195/75R14 has a thin white band (you can fit them inside out so the white band is hidden) and is a bargain http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/195-75r14-han...
we sell them to Triumph Stag http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/triumph-stag ,
lots of Classic Mercedes http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/mercedes-tyre...
and people often fit them to VW camper vans. http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/volkswagen-ca... . The Hankook is the one that is presently available. ring us up 0044 1302 711123 and we will do you a good deal.
(it fills out a bit when it's on a rim with air in it.)
V8 said:
Looking for 255 50 16 for Corvette c4 and struggling to source in the UK, is there a alternative other than 245's.
Hithat's not a problem http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/255-50zr16-mi...
This is a 255/50ZR16 Michelin Pilote Sport. It is a bit of a rare tyre size. it fits the rear of a couple of years of TestaRossa http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/ferrari-testa... , the rear of a 288 GTO http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/ferrari-288-g... and a couple of years of Aston Martin VAntage http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/aston-martin-... a total of not very many cars at all so we are fortunate that that a company such as Michelin takes the effort to make such a small quantity of tyres.
I have an unusual tyre problem on my Maserati Mexico project. It has the right CN72 Pirelli Cinturato tyres in the correct 205VR15 size, and the spare has an Avon in the same size. Tyres are great although the spare is quite old, despite having never been used and still has the stickers.
The problem is neither the Pirelli or the Avon equipped wheels actually fit in the boot. The spare wheel well is original and there is no accident damage, but overall the tyre diameter is circa 10mm too much. The spare simply doesn't fit in the spare wheel well.
I'm not sure whether to put a lower profile tyre on the spare (in which case what would recommend) as a get-me home, or let the spare down and wedge it in and carry a pump, or leave the spare at home and carry tyre-weld! Any suggestion welcome.
Paul
The problem is neither the Pirelli or the Avon equipped wheels actually fit in the boot. The spare wheel well is original and there is no accident damage, but overall the tyre diameter is circa 10mm too much. The spare simply doesn't fit in the spare wheel well.
I'm not sure whether to put a lower profile tyre on the spare (in which case what would recommend) as a get-me home, or let the spare down and wedge it in and carry a pump, or leave the spare at home and carry tyre-weld! Any suggestion welcome.
Paul
Hi Surveyor
What year is the car?
Can i ask when you bought the 205VR15 Pirelli CN72 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/205vr15-pirel... ? Is it part of Pirelli's new production?
What year is the car?
Can i ask when you bought the 205VR15 Pirelli CN72 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/205vr15-pirel... ? Is it part of Pirelli's new production?
LongstoneTyres said:
Hi Surveyor
What year is the car?
Can I ask when you bought the 205VR15 Pirelli CN72 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/205vr15-pirel... ? Is it part of Pirelli's new production?
The car is a late 1968, so still the series 1. The tyres are from the new production, bought unused and brand new from a Jensen Interceptor owner a couple of years ago who had bought them by mistake. As below:-What year is the car?
Can I ask when you bought the 205VR15 Pirelli CN72 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/205vr15-pirel... ? Is it part of Pirelli's new production?
Hi
I suppose the simple answer is don't get a puncture. Though that is the kind of smart alec reply that would P**s me off if some smarmy tyre dealer said that to me. Ha Ha
If you follow this link http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/maserati-mexi... it shows you a 205Vr15 Pirelli CN72 in between a 205/70VR15 Michelin XWX and a 215/70VR15 XWX I would suggest that the later would be your best option as a spare. Lots of Maserati cars changed to 215/70VR15 XWX in the 70's, but in 68 it would have been 205VR15 Cinturato CN72.
When these tyres were manufactured Pirelli used an original tyre that i had supplied them as a reference, I suppose there is a very slight possibility that there is some discrepancy in the tyre size. having said that i have sold loads of these tyres and this is only the second car that has had this problem. And the other car was also a Maserati, it was a later Ghibli which probably would have fitted 215/70VR15 which is a little wider but not as tall; so in that case i'm pretty sure it wasn't the tyres fault. I think Maserati started changing onto the 215/70VR15 XWX in the early 70's
Are you absolutely sure that the spare wheel holder has never been changed in any way; possibly replaced at some point for a later spare wheel holder that is designed for 215/70VR15?
I suppose the simple answer is don't get a puncture. Though that is the kind of smart alec reply that would P**s me off if some smarmy tyre dealer said that to me. Ha Ha
If you follow this link http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/maserati-mexi... it shows you a 205Vr15 Pirelli CN72 in between a 205/70VR15 Michelin XWX and a 215/70VR15 XWX I would suggest that the later would be your best option as a spare. Lots of Maserati cars changed to 215/70VR15 XWX in the 70's, but in 68 it would have been 205VR15 Cinturato CN72.
When these tyres were manufactured Pirelli used an original tyre that i had supplied them as a reference, I suppose there is a very slight possibility that there is some discrepancy in the tyre size. having said that i have sold loads of these tyres and this is only the second car that has had this problem. And the other car was also a Maserati, it was a later Ghibli which probably would have fitted 215/70VR15 which is a little wider but not as tall; so in that case i'm pretty sure it wasn't the tyres fault. I think Maserati started changing onto the 215/70VR15 XWX in the early 70's
Are you absolutely sure that the spare wheel holder has never been changed in any way; possibly replaced at some point for a later spare wheel holder that is designed for 215/70VR15?
a question that i have been dying to ask for a while
i am restoring a morris minor series 2 and am looking to change the current nankang 155s to crossplys. i am told 500/520x 14s are the size to go for.
the dunlop d75 is probably the ideal tyre but i'm not really keen on shelling out over £100 per corner. the waymaster is obviously the "cheap" option- but unfortunately the side wall lettering looks a bit tacky in my opinion
the excelsior is sort of in between, but i can find out much about the tyre- any photos i have seen show it mounted on a wire wheel, and the tread pattern does look a little pre war.
could give me some advice regarding the most appropriate tyre for application?
i see the 145 camac is available again, and whilst these dont look bad they seem to lack the sidewall height of a crossply.
i am restoring a morris minor series 2 and am looking to change the current nankang 155s to crossplys. i am told 500/520x 14s are the size to go for.
the dunlop d75 is probably the ideal tyre but i'm not really keen on shelling out over £100 per corner. the waymaster is obviously the "cheap" option- but unfortunately the side wall lettering looks a bit tacky in my opinion
the excelsior is sort of in between, but i can find out much about the tyre- any photos i have seen show it mounted on a wire wheel, and the tread pattern does look a little pre war.
could give me some advice regarding the most appropriate tyre for application?
i see the 145 camac is available again, and whilst these dont look bad they seem to lack the sidewall height of a crossply.
Hi
The Mogey Minor is a car where there isn't a completely perfect radial option.
155R14 are too wide and effect the handling among other issues with over tyring a car they are too wide for the rims.
the 145R14 is a bit small in diameter so not so good for gearing and the wheel arches look a bit empty.
The 145R14 Camac http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/145sr14-camac... is such a bargain it would be hard to resist. A Mogey Minor handles better on 145R14 compared to 155R14. thinner tyres usually give better handling.
I bought my wife a Mogey Minor a few years ago, because she hated the DAF 33 i had bought her before (luckey Girl). i had it fitted with 145R14 tyres. Maybe if we were doing some motorway cruising in it i might have been a bit more concerned about the gearing. But it was just used for spanking around with the kids, so handling was the most important thing. If i was concerned about locking the wheels up under braking or getting too much wheel spin then maybe bigger tyres would have been the answer. any way I sold the Modey and bought another DAF which got me in a certain amount of hot water, which i'm not sure i'll ever get out of. ( i have however since then bought Mrs Cawley a rather lovely Austin 7 Fabric Bodied Saloon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXrcx3FLl7U )
If i were to have a Mogey Minor for myself to drive, i would run it on the crossply Dunlop 520X14 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/520x14-dunlop... I have driven other cars on both Excelsior and Waymaster and come away with the impression that there is a good reason they don't cost nearly as much as a branded tyre. When i drive on crossply tyres i find the Dunlop to have a carcase structure that is much better than any of the buget brands. There is a big difference in my mind that is worth paying for. For my personal driving pleasure i would choose good crossply but i would rather drive on a buget radial than a buget crossply. I would also suggest that most people would rather drive on a radial. I'm a bit kinky i like wandering crossplys, pre war cars, crash gear box's etc.
The Mogey Minor is a car where there isn't a completely perfect radial option.
155R14 are too wide and effect the handling among other issues with over tyring a car they are too wide for the rims.
the 145R14 is a bit small in diameter so not so good for gearing and the wheel arches look a bit empty.
The 145R14 Camac http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/145sr14-camac... is such a bargain it would be hard to resist. A Mogey Minor handles better on 145R14 compared to 155R14. thinner tyres usually give better handling.
I bought my wife a Mogey Minor a few years ago, because she hated the DAF 33 i had bought her before (luckey Girl). i had it fitted with 145R14 tyres. Maybe if we were doing some motorway cruising in it i might have been a bit more concerned about the gearing. But it was just used for spanking around with the kids, so handling was the most important thing. If i was concerned about locking the wheels up under braking or getting too much wheel spin then maybe bigger tyres would have been the answer. any way I sold the Modey and bought another DAF which got me in a certain amount of hot water, which i'm not sure i'll ever get out of. ( i have however since then bought Mrs Cawley a rather lovely Austin 7 Fabric Bodied Saloon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXrcx3FLl7U )
If i were to have a Mogey Minor for myself to drive, i would run it on the crossply Dunlop 520X14 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/520x14-dunlop... I have driven other cars on both Excelsior and Waymaster and come away with the impression that there is a good reason they don't cost nearly as much as a branded tyre. When i drive on crossply tyres i find the Dunlop to have a carcase structure that is much better than any of the buget brands. There is a big difference in my mind that is worth paying for. For my personal driving pleasure i would choose good crossply but i would rather drive on a buget radial than a buget crossply. I would also suggest that most people would rather drive on a radial. I'm a bit kinky i like wandering crossplys, pre war cars, crash gear box's etc.
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