Where can I find an XKSS (replica)?

[XJ13]

lowdrag said:

That car, the first made for Roland Urban in 1981, and based on the short nose Lynx D-type chassis #7, was not, as the makers will tell you, their finest effort, being the first and therefore a prototype.

I don't think this statement is true. I believe the Lynx XKSS completed for the late Cedric Brierly around '78 was the first.

Interesting to see actual prices paid for the numerous D-Type kits supplied by Lynx in the late 70's were less than £4k! From the records I have seen, Lynx supplied as many cars as kits than complete cars in that period.

[lowdrag]

Sorry, they missed out a few words. It should have read "A toolroom copy of an original Lynx XKSS

A few photos of the car for you all:-

[XJ13]

lowdrag said:

Sorry, they missed out a few words. It should have read "A toolroom copy of an original Lynx XKSS

Is it me?

A "toolroom copy" of an inaccurate replica?

how much for a "toolroom copy" of a fake Rolex?

[JNH-809]

XJ13 said:

lowdrag said:

Sorry, they missed out a few words. It should have read "A toolroom copy of an original Lynx XKSS

Is it me?

A "toolroom copy" of an inaccurate replica?

how much for a "toolroom copy" of a fake Rolex?

A bag of peanuts and 2 banana skin if the wind go in the correct sens ...

The last Lynx in BAT don't meet the reserve price at 200.000 US$ no need to said more about the real value

[thegreenhell]

It's listed on the dealer's website at 450k USD...

[lowdrag]

JNH-809 said:

A bag of peanuts and 2 banana skin if the wind go in the correct sens ...

The last Lynx in BAT don't meet the reserve price at 200.000 US$ no need to said more about the real value

Totally incorrect. People just don't give a damn and quote completely erroneous information, such as here. The car was on BaT for a week, and on the last day the price rose to $375,000 with two people bidding. It still did not meet the reserve price. I suggest you look here, then go down and read the comments made.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-jaguar-xkss...

You will find that the high bidder said, and I quote, "For the record, I would have gone much higher. Too good of a car." If you are going to post, please be accurate.

[Mike-tf3n0]

XJ13 said:

lowdrag said:

Sorry, they missed out a few words. It should have read "A toolroom copy of an original Lynx XKSS

Is it me?

A "toolroom copy" of an inaccurate replica?

how much for a "toolroom copy" of a fake Rolex?

You could have exactly what you were prepared to pay for. Most customers opted for E Type bits because the use of a donor E provided the engine, the bits mentioned and importantly, a chassis number. The difference in cost was considerable for an accurate replica, the dry sump alone was about £12k in the mid 80s and then you had the jig built tube structure in Reynolds 531, the Parkerised steel front wishbones to say nothing of the fully powered braking system with it's pump on the gearbox and those enormous Aluminium 6 pot piston carriers, and so on. If you want to see a toolroom copy then look at the XKSS we built for Colin Crabb, an acknowledged expert in the field, if you know where to find it that is. We never used the phrase 'toolroom copy' incidentally, that was coined by others, preferring 'accurate replica'. We used exactly the same spec Aluminium S1c as the originals, the same welding gasses, the same cellulose paint, the same Dunlop R5 or 6 (can't remember which) tyres, the steering wheel even had it's laminates all within one third of the circumference just like the original. It goes on and on. Because an accurate replica was indistinguishable from an original we used to stamp into the floor skin, under the drivers seat iirc, something like 'Lynx replica no xx'. If you want another opinion I suggest you ring Roy Kent at The Old Racing Car Company and ask him what he thinks of Lynx replicas. I hope you will find that informative but do post again if there is anything else I can help clarify.

[JNH-809]

lowdrag said:

Totally incorrect. People just don't give a damn and quote completely erroneous information, such as here. The car was on BaT for a week, and on the last day the price rose to $375,000 with two people bidding. It still did not meet the reserve price. I suggest you look here, then go down and read the comments made.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-jaguar-xkss...

You will find that the high bidder said, and I quote, "For the record, I would have gone much higher. Too good of a car." If you are going to post, please be accurate.

Dear you can try to virtually inflate the value of your car, but that won't work how many years you keep doing this hoping someone will offer you a pile of cash ?, unfortunately it doesn't happen despite what you brag like a rooster everywhere, you retirement golden pack is not near here.

Between dream and reality have a huge difference.

[JNH-809]

thegreenhell said:

It's listed on the dealer's website at 450k USD...

yeah , the price the former owner paid, but the car don't move, made them a lower serious offert and will for sure get it.

Some replica be sold for good price but due to the name of the former owner not because of the car. A group of people lead by a former Milk Man try to inflate some price despite they are followed by a name who is more know for bad story than the quality of the build it doesn't work so well until now (maybe that can change one day)

[lowdrag]

Firstly, my comment on "a toolroom copy of a Lynx XKSS" was supposed to be tongue in cheek, an ironic take on the advert for the car on sale, not any pretence at anything else. a Lynx is only, and always has been, E-type mechanicals reclothed in a D-type or XKSS skin. Not a bad car, but nothing like the original as pointed out. Just a fun facsimile.

As regards values of no matter what car, including the Lynx XKSS and D-type, I don't set the prices, the punters do. A couple of years back a VW microbus was bid to over $200,000. Daft, but someone obviously wanted it badly. Mine is insured for way less than the prices recently paid and why they sell for so much money is rather beyond me. It has been pointed out that the cost of an E-type wreck these days is far more than it used to be 30 years ago, so that must come into the equation if building a new Lynx, as they are proposing to do in Coventry. I look forward to visiting one of these days when travel is again permitted.

I am not differing with either of you, just, in one case, correcting the misleading comment that the car was bid to $200,000. It was the opening bid and stayed that way until the last few hours before the hammer came down. Or didn't in this case.

[aeropilot]

JNH-809 said:

lowdrag said:

Totally incorrect. People just don't give a damn and quote completely erroneous information, such as here. The car was on BaT for a week, and on the last day the price rose to $375,000 with two people bidding. It still did not meet the reserve price. I suggest you look here, then go down and read the comments made.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-jaguar-xkss...

You will find that the high bidder said, and I quote, "For the record, I would have gone much higher. Too good of a car." If you are going to post, please be accurate.

Dear you can try to virtually inflate the value of your car, but that won't work how many years you keep doing this hoping someone will offer you a pile of cash ?, unfortunately it doesn't happen despite what you brag like a rooster everywhere, you retirement golden pack is not near here.

[JNH-809]

thegreenhell said:

It's listed on the dealer's website at 450k USD...

You are absolutely right, but selling a LHD Lynx at this price, i wish them good luck they have in consignment and as their BaT fail i am not sure the car will stay in their hand long. The owner will take it back or sell for a lower price. As everyone know between the public asked price and price paid have always a difference and some time that difference can be half (i personally a case where the seller ask for £650.000 and sold the car 18 month after for £320.000)

This car i have to said she is quite lovely even some defect like the big muffler. But the price is absolutely not right.

[XJ13]

Mike-tf3n0 said:

Because an accurate replica was indistinguishable from an original

Mike - the car in question is nothing of the sort. Nobody is questioning the quality, skills, engineering and craftsmanship invested in the relatively few "accurate replicas" built by the Lynx of old. This car is not one of them.

None of the E-Type based kits or complete E-Type based cars supplied by Lynx are anything like "accurate replicas". A quick glance from behind shows its E-Type IRS - amongst other things which distinguish it from an "accurate replica".

Edited by XJ13 on Tuesday 12th January 15:52

[lowdrag]

I really can't see what this discussion is about or where it is going. Lynx built affordable facsimiles (I now use that word trying to avoid criticism) of a car that many aspired to own but had not the means to buy one. I for one am not claiming my car is a full-on copy of an XKSS, but - it looks like one and most people can't tell the difference. I remember an old french guy, rheumy eyes, who raced across a supermarket car park when I had the Lynx short nose, and how he believed he had seen a real D-type. Should I have dismissed him and told him it was but a copy or let him believe? I chose the latter. He went away dancing on air. Normally I point out that it is a facsimile and nothing like a real one under the skin. People are still delighted to see it just the same. Woodham Mortimer inherited from JD Classics a car that was purported to be a proper replica of an XKSS, and which was on sale for £625,000. Woodham Mortimer sold it for £425,000 - a real bargain if ever there was one. Chris Keith-Lucas told me that building the few "proper" replicas they did was highly time consuming and very expensive, even in the day.

A replica replicates. All the rest are facsimiles. Just accept it and move on.

[a8hex]

XJ13 said:

Mike-tf3n0 said:

Because an accurate replica was indistinguishable from an original

Mike - the car in question is nothing of the sort. Nobody is questioning the quality, skills, engineering and craftsmanship invested in the relatively few "accurate replicas" built by the Lynx of old. This car is not one of them.

None of the E-Type based kits or complete E-Type based cars supplied by Lynx are anything like "accurate replicas". A quick glance from behind shows its E-Type IRS - amongst other things which distinguish it from an "accurate replica".

Edited by XJ13 on Tuesday 12th January 15:52

Neville, the way I read Mike's posting he was just saying that customers could have what they wanted to pay for, they could have ones which were close enough to be hard to distinguish, but the majority were nothing of the sort. They look similar to the non-obsessive's eye. I used to see 701 quite often and this car looked wrong from a quick glance.

[Mike-tf3n0]

XJ13 said:

Mike-tf3n0 said:

Because an accurate replica was indistinguishable from an original

Mike - the car in question is nothing of the sort. Nobody is questioning the quality, skills, engineering and craftsmanship invested in the relatively few "accurate replicas" built by the Lynx of old. This car is not one of them.

None of the E-Type based kits or complete E-Type based cars supplied by Lynx are anything like "accurate replicas". A quick glance from behind shows its E-Type IRS - amongst other things which distinguish it from an "accurate replica".

Edited by XJ13 on Tuesday 12th January 15:52

Yes, I don't know the car in question so cannot really comment. You are quite correct in regard to the IRS, practically all the replicas had it because it came with the donor, it was far cheaper, it was more comfortable and it handled better. As an aside I recall one of the Jaguar people saying it was probably the way they would have gone had the D Type stayed in production longer. There were other differences between a 'normal' replica and an 'accurate' replica of course, had there not been the cost would have been prohibitive for most potential buyers and we might not have stayed in production for as long as we did. What actually did for the company was Margaret Thatcher's amazing Economic Revolution of the very late 80's. In September 1990 I had about three years worth of orders in hand and everybody was working flat out but by the December new orders had effectively stopped and likewise work in hand as our customers suddenly found themselves short of revenue. Nowadays I look back on my time there with great affection, the product, the people, the atmosphere were all fantastic. Even today I am still in touch with some of my colleagues and some of our customers, two have just handed their cars on to their sons with instructions never to sell them! Any product that engenders that level of love can't be bad! So, is this a slightly pointless conversation, you could point at an original and say the handling was a bit difficult, that the multiplate clutch was so heavy as to be excruciatingly painful, that 1 rpm over 6150 was very likely to break valves in a wide angle head and so on. The point is that both cars occupy different places in the market place and I think it fair to say that both are very desirable for different reasons. The important thing is that they are enjoyed, by the owners and by the onlookers. As Tony says the price is set by the market but who cares?? I had many experiences like the one Tony describes but never one nitpicker!

[aeropilot]

a8hex said:

XJ13 said:

Mike-tf3n0 said:

Because an accurate replica was indistinguishable from an original

Mike - the car in question is nothing of the sort. Nobody is questioning the quality, skills, engineering and craftsmanship invested in the relatively few "accurate replicas" built by the Lynx of old. This car is not one of them.

None of the E-Type based kits or complete E-Type based cars supplied by Lynx are anything like "accurate replicas". A quick glance from behind shows its E-Type IRS - amongst other things which distinguish it from an "accurate replica".

Edited by XJ13 on Tuesday 12th January 15:52

Neville, the way I read Mike's posting he was just saying that customers could have what they wanted to pay for, they could have ones which were close enough to be hard to distinguish, but the majority were nothing of the sort.

Exactly.
Seemed quite clear to me.

[thegreenhell]

Interesting that one of the new Jaguar continuation cars has just come onto the market and it states that it's road registered.

https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/car/stock/1957/jagua...

[Longnose]

I interpreted that as road registered in North America. Maybe not as restrictive there?

[aeropilot]

thegreenhell said:

Interesting that one of the new Jaguar continuation cars has just come onto the market and it states that it's road registered.

https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/car/stock/1957/jagua...

Road registered in North America, not UK/EU.