The Cars Time Forgot...

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aeropilot

34,598 posts

227 months

Tuesday 12th May 2015
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irocfan said:
Iso Rivolta

That's an Iso Grifo, not a Rivolta.




dartissimus

938 posts

174 months

Tuesday 12th May 2015
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fredbrad said:
GT6 Jonsey said:
Renault Fuego
The model before the Fuego. Renault 17. I had 2 of them - wish I had photo's to submit.
I had a black 17 TS, I used to take the louvres out when I washed it, which was more than happened when I had it resprayed.

RNE 583R RIP

Edited by dartissimus on Tuesday 12th May 12:01

bencollins

3,504 posts

205 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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fuego has aged very well

MoggieMinor

457 posts

145 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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aeropilot said:
irocfan said:
Iso Rivolta

That's an Iso Grifo, not a Rivolta.
Indeed it is and its still gorgeous.

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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4rephill said:
The '84 Corvette might possibly have been a bit forgotten, but I don't believe it didn't get the credit it deserved! confused

It was acknowledged as being a lot of car for the money at the time (and still is!), and a great straight line cruiser/bruiser, but it was also noted as being a bit on the heavy side, not built that well, and didn't handle as well as its looks suggested it would.

Added to that, the only place it really worked as a proper usable car was the USA!

It was just too big and bulky for the rest of the World (With a possible exception of Australia but then it needed an expensive RHD conversion carrying out to make it legal which bumped the price up massively).
Can't agree. Bought a 9 year old '85 Vette and ran it as a daily driver for 3 years and 30000 miles. It was a great car in the UK, very fast and very stable and not much could live with it, back in the day and many found that out the hard way. The '84 suffered from too hard suspension and a 205hp crossfire engine but the later '85-on Tuned Port engines were strong and they softened the suspension a bit. Came with Bilsteins and Girling brakes (made in Australia, ironically).

Not well made though but no worse than any other fibreglass sports car of that era.

DBSV8

5,958 posts

238 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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boyse7en said:
This turned my head when I was about 10. Was probably the most exotic-looking car I'd ever seen at the time.
Virtually no one remembers them now.

for good reason

brother had one , it was awfull, unreliable , steering was like someone had connected a rotary whisk to the pedals , it tramped all over the place , electrics , blew fuses like no tomorrow and abysmally slow

just don't

al 350i

974 posts

195 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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MoggieMinor said:
Indeed it is and its still gorgeous.
1 of my favourites. didn't they do a rare 4 speed manual with ridiculously high gearing!

al 350i

974 posts

195 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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GT6 Jonsey said:
Just thought of another company that made a cool car that disappeared without trace. Anyone remember the Trident Clipper ?
TVR specialist have a nice one http://www.str8six.co.uk/blog/files/913a092ac3dbd5...


Heaveho

5,288 posts

174 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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The Gordon Keeble seemed to have been largely forgotten about until recently, sudden rise in prices would seem to indicate that's changing now though.

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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jith said:
droopsnoot said:
Dapster said:
Not so much a car, as a technology. Absolutely brilliantly simple and so cheap compared to Airbags. Consigned to the history books.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procon-ten
Wasn't there a "dislocating shoulders" issue with that, on the basis that people tend to hang on for dear life in the event of a crash rather than letting go of the steering wheel as the technology assumed? I can't remember whether that was a story I read, or just something I heard mentioned.
Procon 10 was considered to be the most advanced safety device ever utilised on a motor car. It consisted of a series of very strong bowden cables that ran around the transmission casing, the engine mounts, the front subframe and into the cabin. At that point they were attached to the seats and the steering column.

In the event of an accident, the rearward movement of the engine assembly deployed the system and pulled the steering wheel away from the driver into the dash, pulled the rear of the transmission and engine assembly down and under the car to prevent it penetrating the cabin, pulled the seat belts tight restraining body movement and pulled both front seats together away from the B posts, preventing skull damage. It did this of course, in a fraction of a second on impact.

It was so effective that Audis became very popular with the German traffic police, and at one time one of the larger Audis was in the Guinness book of records for being the only car in history that was never involved in a fatal crash.

It was a victim of its own success however, as it became so expensive to repair in the event of an accident that insurance companies started loading premiums on vehicles with this system; and this despite the fact that it saved lives!

Check out this seriously clever ad :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ooL3Afzx8

Vorsprung Durch Technik indeed!

J
My parents had a '88 F reg Audi 90 2.2E that was fitted with procon-ten. Luckily, they never had to make use of that particular feature! The rest of the 90 was quite superb and they put 265k on the clock whilst they had it. The only non consumable replaced on the car was the main fuel pump.

It was replaced by a '96 P reg Audi A4 2.6E Avant which although a decent car in hindsight, they don't seem to recall with the same level of fondness they had for the 90 and it's lovely 5 cylinder warble when combined with third gear which went on forever.

The A4 did have a much more conventional and useable shape of boot compared to the 90 which was quite bizarre compared to most other cars in that regard.

Whilst Audi seem more capable than ever of producing a lovely interior, there seems to be a little more penny pinching elsewhere these days evident. They've just treated themselves to a new A3 1.4T for their retirement.

SrMoreno

546 posts

146 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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Dapster said:
Not so much a car, as a technology. Absolutely brilliantly simple and so cheap compared to Airbags. Consigned to the history books.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procon-ten
Surely its main obstacle was being a proprietary system unavailable to other manufacturers. Volvo's release of the patent for the three-point seatbelt is an illustration of what might have happened. Says a lot about the different philosophies of Audi and Volvo.

MoggieMinor

457 posts

145 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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al 350i said:
MoggieMinor said:
Indeed it is and its still gorgeous.
1 of my favourites. didn't they do a rare 4 speed manual with ridiculously high gearing!
Iso Rivolta Lele? stunning.

They also made the little Isetta bubble car.


Doofus

25,819 posts

173 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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strummerville

1,015 posts

127 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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DBSV8 said:
boyse7en said:
This turned my head when I was about 10. Was probably the most exotic-looking car I'd ever seen at the time.
Virtually no one remembers them now.

for good reason

brother had one , it was awfull, unreliable , steering was like someone had connected a rotary whisk to the pedals , it tramped all over the place , electrics , blew fuses like no tomorrow and abysmally slow

just don't
But it predated the McMac F1 three seat arrangement by many years....

gforceg

3,524 posts

179 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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Doofus said:
"Remind" me please.

Doofus

25,819 posts

173 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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gforceg said:
"Remind" me please.
Argyll, from Dumbarton. Est. 1899, believe it or not smile

DBSV8

5,958 posts

238 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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strummerville said:
DBSV8 said:
boyse7en said:
This turned my head when I was about 10. Was probably the most exotic-looking car I'd ever seen at the time.
Virtually no one remembers them now.

for good reason

brother had one , it was awfull, unreliable , steering was like someone had connected a rotary whisk to the pedals , it tramped all over the place , electrics , blew fuses like no tomorrow and abysmally slow

just don't
But it predated the McMac F1 three seat arrangement by many years....
Gordon murray's F1 had the driver seating in the middle . Antonis Volanis' bagheera had the driver seated on the far left , with two front passengers wedged in ..........more akin to a transit van !!

While the F1 & rocket are great timeless designs and won hundreds of accolades The Bagheera is better known for winning the ADAC "Silver Lemon" award in 75 !!


texaxile

3,290 posts

150 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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I had one. Electrical problems abound, however, when it was running right, the twin 38 downdrought Dellorto's were a pleasure to hear as they're mounted directly behind the bulkhead.

Rust was an issue, along with getting spares. I ended up swapping it for a holbay engined 2.0 Capri.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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Lancia Gamma? Nearly bought a Coupé back in the 80s, complete with full 'wine red' velour interior.

Come to think of it, many Lancias of that era have been forgotten - Trevi (loved that dashboard), Beta (Volumex, anyone?). Probably because most have now rusted away frown

dbdb

4,326 posts

173 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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Lancias of that era do seem unfairly forgotten, they are certainly lovely cars. There does seem to be a bit of enthusiasm for them on Piston Heads though - which is good to see.