Anticipating the next rising classic stars...
Discussion
MarshPhantom said:
Muzzer79 said:
Mondeo has no 'halo' model like a Cosworth or RS to make it desirable. No petrol-head ever dreamed of owning a Mondeo at 12 years old like they did a Mexico/RS Turbo/Twin Cam/Cosworth
Late 90's onwards Fords, with the possible exception of Focus RS models, aren't really that classic fodder, IMO.
All Cosworths are already there for decent stuff.
Do people really lust after the 2.9Ltr Granada Cosworth?Late 90's onwards Fords, with the possible exception of Focus RS models, aren't really that classic fodder, IMO.
All Cosworths are already there for decent stuff.
There are some once common Fords that, whilst never being worth a fortune, could command a decent price because there are just none left. But they'll need to be very early examples.
K reg Mondeo. These were such a big advance for Ford and were very highly regarded. but they've all gone now. You'll probably get away with an '93 L plater, if you can find one. Another 5 years and they will be extinct.
P reg Ka. It's nearly 20 years since these were launched (next year) and terminal rot has finished most of them. Even 08 plate ones are rusting so another 5 years will see most Ka's recycled. A 30 year old Ka with the starfish wheel trims?
K reg Mondeo. These were such a big advance for Ford and were very highly regarded. but they've all gone now. You'll probably get away with an '93 L plater, if you can find one. Another 5 years and they will be extinct.
P reg Ka. It's nearly 20 years since these were launched (next year) and terminal rot has finished most of them. Even 08 plate ones are rusting so another 5 years will see most Ka's recycled. A 30 year old Ka with the starfish wheel trims?
GTRene said:
All older original Alpina (BMW)
prices go way up, your a bit to late, but there is still some time to get one.
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don't know if the BMW Z1 is also mentioned? well...they go up pretty fast too.
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The problem is Alpinas used to look very cool, they don't anymore so not really comparing like with like.prices go way up, your a bit to late, but there is still some time to get one.
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don't know if the BMW Z1 is also mentioned? well...they go up pretty fast too.
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sim16v said:
'80s and '90s Alpinas are already on the up.
I think there are too many, almost mass produced, Alpinas from the '00s to start appreciating, unless they are the mega rare, high output ones.
Id say Brabus V12's and v12 Bi turbos are the ones to watch. Mega rare stupid power mad ostentatious. I think there are too many, almost mass produced, Alpinas from the '00s to start appreciating, unless they are the mega rare, high output ones.
SL65 AMG stunning car in every possible way a sure fire classic
Nors said:
I've discussed this with mates many times, with particular reference to Mk1 & 2 Ford Escorts. In 10 or 15 years time, are there really going to be people coming through that are going to pay £20+k for an old Ford Escort? They probably won't even know what it is, let alone pay all that money for one!!
The prices of mundane non-RS Mk1/2 2 door Escorts has got almost no connection with the general classic car market, and everything to do with the supply & demand for shells/identities needed to build a FiA historic rally car - that's where the money is. As a result of that the values of geniune RS models ride on the back of that. It wasn't a co-incidence that the big jump in values of RS Escorts rose with the change in historic rally rules to allow post 68 cars to become eligiable, just as the values of Lotus-Cortinas had started to rise some years prior to that with the pre-68 rule.
So, in answer to your question, in 10 years time they will be worth even more as more shells get destroyed in historic rallying and the supply is reduced further.
Back to Mercedes. I've got these two; a very early production run 300-24 SL and a 1996 C36 AMG. I can't see depreciation being an issue really and both cars get treated like family members.
I've had the AMG 9 years, and the SL for 4; no plans to cash in on my dividend though, I'm still enjoying them both.
iSore said:
Unless a company starts making new 2 door Escort shells again, like Dynacorn do in the US for Mustangs etc.
There was a rumour circulating the net and historic rally circles 3-4 years ago, that one of the wealthier Irish based businessman rally drivers had negotiated rights with Ford for Dynacorn to do just that..........but nothing more has been heard, so it was either no more than just a rumour, or the fact that they had to be made in the USA made the 'business case' unviable or for any number of other reasons..........aeropilot said:
Nors said:
I've discussed this with mates many times, with particular reference to Mk1 & 2 Ford Escorts. In 10 or 15 years time, are there really going to be people coming through that are going to pay £20+k for an old Ford Escort? They probably won't even know what it is, let alone pay all that money for one!!
The prices of mundane non-RS Mk1/2 2 door Escorts has got almost no connection with the general classic car market, and everything to do with the supply & demand for shells/identities needed to build a FiA historic rally car - that's where the money is. As a result of that the values of geniune RS models ride on the back of that. It wasn't a co-incidence that the big jump in values of RS Escorts rose with the change in historic rally rules to allow post 68 cars to become eligiable, just as the values of Lotus-Cortinas had started to rise some years prior to that with the pre-68 rule.
So, in answer to your question, in 10 years time they will be worth even more as more shells get destroyed in historic rallying and the supply is reduced further.
However, I'm talking about 10 -15 (or a bit longer) years time and the chances that today's yoof are going to know about or pay vast sums for old cars they've never heard of, or seen! You might get some (following in daddy's footsteps) but is today's younger generations going to be lusting after such (currently) expensive machines for any of these reasons?
It was a question I was asking, not a prediction. You've given a very valid explanation for the medium future, I was looking a bit further ahead.
Nors said:
You've given a very valid explanation for the medium future, I was looking a bit further ahead.
So was I. That's precisely my point. Unless there is a significant downturn in activity in historic rallying (rule changes etc) the 'value' of road goings cars is largely being determined by the supply/demand of historic rallying, NOT whether a younger person identifies with it or not. If your analogy was followed as a rule, then there wouldn't be anyone under the age of 60 buying something like a XK120 Jag - but there are. You are right in that a lot of people when they can afford it later in life gravitate to a car of the era of their 'youth' and this will always be the case, but you only have to look at the popularity still of the veteran car run, and we are now talking about cars built out of living memory of anyone still alive.
Robert Elise said:
if new TVR goes global there'll be an uplift too with more export demand.
Over the next 5 years some of the "modern" TVRs become eligible for import to the US on their 25 year rule.Griffiths, Chimaera, Cerberas, then later the Tuscans etc.
These cars have all the credentials to appeal to the classic market. Rarity, fun, speed, etc. The US market will snap these up and drive up prices.
aeropilot said:
There was a rumour circulating the net and historic rally circles 3-4 years ago, that one of the wealthier Irish based businessman rally drivers had negotiated rights with Ford for Dynacorn to do just that..........but nothing more has been heard, so it was either no more than just a rumour, or the fact that they had to be made in the USA made the 'business case' unviable or for any number of other reasons..........
It's more than just a rumour now, it's happening but only with Mk2's as far as i could glean from the stuff circulated a couple of weeks back. They are built in China, cost is about 7k, they can also supply any panel.It does make you wonder if it will knock a dent in the values of Mk2's.
This was the post circulated on Facebook, it certainly appeared genuine.
[i] Good news everyone.
I have had the privilege to be talking to the guys that have put the resources together to remake the mk2 shell.
These cars are 100% real.
The photos you have seen here have been of the first cars made.
I know there have been people saying about gaps and doors need work! Just to let you know the wings and door where loose fitted and do not do the shells justice.
I will have more info this week on prices.
You will be able to buy shells and all panels.
Doors wings quarters roof etc from selected businesses.
Please do not try and run these cars down or try buy the cars from China. You will not be able the buy them unless it's from Higgins themselves.
I myself would like to thank these guys for the time and effort they have put in to get this done.
Thanks Marty and the guys. [/i]
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