Another mystery car

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Gompo

4,411 posts

258 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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threespires said:
Something that confuses me and is illustrated in these two pictures.

Notice how the rear wheel encroaches into the passenger compartment of the Mystery car
I can't see how the designer managed to get a seat in there.
..And on similar lines, looking at the height of the bonnet, the amount of front wheel clearance, the rear wheel position (if it's impounding on the cockpit area, perhaps the front seats are quite inset/touching each other with not much of a transmission tunnel) and the rear overhang - then it's quite likely to be rear engined?

threespires

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4,294 posts

211 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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I agree, the bonnet line is extremely low. If rear engined, how does the cooling work I wonder.

nicanary

9,795 posts

146 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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threespires said:
I agree, the bonnet line is extremely low. If rear engined, how does the cooling work I wonder.
If the bonnet line is low, and there's not much room for a transmission tunnel, the we're back to front-engined/front-wheel drive, flat-twin territory. I'm still backing a Panhard engined French car.

threespires

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Sunday 6th December 2015
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nicanary said:
If the bonnet line is low, and there's not much room for a transmission tunnel, the we're back to front-engined/front-wheel drive, flat-twin territory. I'm still backing a Panhard engined French car.
Very good point..

galro

776 posts

169 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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As I posted in another forum I think the frontal styling might have been inspired by this drawing from the 1959 book sportscar of the future.


marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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Shades of Devin about it too : http://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniBillDevincars...

But then, in period, everyone was playing around with similar styling anyway.

Gompo

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258 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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galro said:
As I posted in another forum I think the frontal styling might have been inspired by this drawing from the 1959 book sportscar of the future.
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Good shout. The doors appear quite similar too - a distinctive part of which being the leading edge that is fore of the front window pillar and fore of where you'd naturally expect the A-pillar to be.

I've been looking at a few NZ cars, Buckler and De Joux designs; some front similarities but no.

My go-to man for this type of thing who seems to specialise in GRP cars of the 50/60s etc has stated that it's just not any sort of 'production' car and must be a one-off; otherwise he'd know what it is.

galro

776 posts

169 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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I think the drawing and the car in the picture have four similarities: Both have a drivers door that are cut in to the roof, both have a wraparound windshield, both have a combination of angular hooded headlights and otherwise rounded front ends, and both have a rear wheel well that have been pushed so far forward that it cuts into the drivers door and effectively means that the driver will have to share the space (either next to or on top of) with the rear wheels. All these are quite unusual features and I have never seen them combined before, which is why I think that drawing is the likely inspiration for it.

threespires

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211 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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galro said:
As I posted in another forum I think the frontal styling might have been inspired by this drawing from the 1959 book sportscar of the future.

Good find, lots of similarities

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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nicanary said:
If the bonnet line is low, and there's not much room for a transmission tunnel, the we're back to front-engined/front-wheel drive, flat-twin territory. I'm still backing a Panhard engined French car.
No, not enough height/length in front of the wheel line.

Keep it stiff

1,765 posts

173 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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threespires said:
Could someone edit the image to show what it would look like without the pedestrians in the foreground?

Regarding the front/rear engine debate, surely that is a front folding bonnet in Spitfire/ E Type style?

Lynchie999

3,423 posts

153 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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i could be wrong it looks like there might be a single white stripe down the middle.. over the bonnet and roof... might just be the light though..

sim16v

2,177 posts

201 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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Lynchie999 said:
i could be wrong it looks like there might be a single white stripe down the middle.. over the bonnet and roof... might just be the light though..
Now you mention it, I can see it.

Flowing back from the number plate...

galro

776 posts

169 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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I can see what you are thinking of, but I'm 100% sure it is a stripe and just not a reflection. However if it is a stripe then it could suggest that the car is lft as it seems likely that the stripes lines up with the driver. It also suggest that the design is either American or the owner wanted to give it a American look given that blue with white stripes are their racing colors and I would imagine that this was common knowledge at the time.

It probably do not help all that much, but it is fun speculating none the less. smile

sim16v

2,177 posts

201 months

Monday 7th December 2015
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If you look at the larger photos on this thread, the stripe looks like it is actually going down the middle of the car, between the gullwing doors on the roof.

threespires

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211 months

Tuesday 8th December 2015
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Is this the first time a car has beaten everybody?
I've known of one-off cars being identified on these pages before, but it seems that this one could be the one that got away.

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Tuesday 8th December 2015
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threespires said:
Is this the first time a car has beaten everybody?
I've known of one-off cars being identified on these pages before, but it seems that this one could be the one that got away.
No. There's this one as well : http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

threespires

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211 months

Tuesday 8th December 2015
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Front wheel arch -
It could be the angle the photo is taken from, but the tyre is very close to the top and front of the wheel arch, making for a small steering lock.

threespires

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211 months

Tuesday 8th December 2015
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marshalla said:
Ah yes I remember that one too, thanks..

Frustrating innit?

Allan L

783 posts

105 months

Tuesday 8th December 2015
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threespires said:
Front wheel arch -
It could be the angle the photo is taken from, but the tyre is very close to the top and front of the wheel arch, making for a small steering lock.
The wheel doesn't seem to be far off straight ahead, nevertheless it is taking a quite sharp turn.