Another mystery car

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uk66fastback

16,548 posts

271 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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Am I missing something, I thought the gullwing Turner project remained unfinished when they closed in 1966 ... the mystery car was photographed four years earlier.

LarJammer

2,238 posts

210 months

Friday 11th November 2016
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Ive had a reply and the mystery car is


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Not the turner. Russell has some photos of the turner which im hoping he will post.

Dr G

15,178 posts

242 months

Friday 11th November 2016
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Dammit, more months of not knowing rofl

dandarez

13,287 posts

283 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Only just seen this. Interesting.

Anyone thought of asking Malcolm McKay? He and ? (forgotten his name now, but another expert on specialist cars) would probably know. I was going to do a book by both of them years ago called 'The Fifties Specials' or something along those lines but it never materialised due to the op backing out for personal reasons (if I remember correctly).

Mystery car is obviously 1960's as said.
I'm wondering what those front over-riders are from?

Another make did use parts-bin over-riders in 64. And they were Frogeye ones, see pic
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Anyone know what the over-riders are from on the mystery car?

threespires

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4,295 posts

211 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Good question..


TonyRPH

12,973 posts

168 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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I think the over riders are different.

On the mystery car they seem to be uniform in shape from top to bottom.



But on this car they appear to taper.


dandarez

13,287 posts

283 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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TonyRPH said:
I think the over riders are different.

On the mystery car they seem to be uniform in shape from top to bottom.



But on this car they appear to taper.

Ah, perhaps I wasn't clear? Read my post again. wink

I 'know' they are different.
They are definitely 'Frogeye rear over-riders' on the car in my posted pic.

My question was what do the ones originate from on the mystery car!

Cheers.

piper

295 posts

268 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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dandarez said:
Only just seen this. Interesting.

Anyone thought of asking Malcolm McKay? He and ? (forgotten his name now, but another expert on specialist cars) would probably know. I was going to do a book by both of them years ago called 'The Fifties Specials' or something along those lines but it never materialised due to the op backing out for personal reasons (if I remember correctly).

Mystery car is obviously 1960's as said.
I'm wondering what those front over-riders are from?

Another make did use parts-bin over-riders in 64. And they were Frogeye ones, see pic
]

Anyone know what the over-riders are from on the mystery car?
What is the car in the black and white photo, is it a Ginetta?

CanAm

9,212 posts

272 months

Wednesday 16th November 2016
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piper said:
dandarez said:
Only just seen this. Interesting.

Anyone thought of asking Malcolm McKay? He and ? (forgotten his name now, but another expert on specialist cars) would probably know. I was going to do a book by both of them years ago called 'The Fifties Specials' or something along those lines but it never materialised due to the op backing out for personal reasons (if I remember correctly).

Mystery car is obviously 1960's as said.
I'm wondering what those front over-riders are from?

Another make did use parts-bin over-riders in 64. And they were Frogeye ones, see pic
]

Anyone know what the over-riders are from on the mystery car?
What is the car in the black and white photo, is it a Ginetta?
Ginetta G11

dandarez

13,287 posts

283 months

Wednesday 16th November 2016
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piper said:
dandarez said:
Only just seen this. Interesting.

Anyone thought of asking Malcolm McKay? He and ? (forgotten his name now, but another expert on specialist cars) would probably know. I was going to do a book by both of them years ago called 'The Fifties Specials' or something along those lines but it never materialised due to the op backing out for personal reasons (if I remember correctly).

Mystery car is obviously 1960's as said.
I'm wondering what those front over-riders are from?

Another make did use parts-bin over-riders in 64. And they were Frogeye ones, see pic
]

Anyone know what the over-riders are from on the mystery car?
What is the car in the black and white photo, is it a Ginetta?
Yes, the one and only road-going G10 4.7-litre V8. Just two were built. The other G10 was the out and out racer which Chris Meek won in, first time out, at Brands Hatch, defeating the ex-Protheroe low-drag E-Type driven by Robbie Gordon.

The road car in pic was left-hand drive, was road-tested by Triple C (Cars & Car Conversions) magazine at the time. Bought by an American it was long lost over the years, but amazingly has recently re-surfaced and is currently being restored.

dandarez

13,287 posts

283 months

Wednesday 16th November 2016
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CanAm said:
piper said:
dandarez said:
Only just seen this. Interesting.

Anyone thought of asking Malcolm McKay? He and ? (forgotten his name now, but another expert on specialist cars) would probably know. I was going to do a book by both of them years ago called 'The Fifties Specials' or something along those lines but it never materialised due to the op backing out for personal reasons (if I remember correctly).

Mystery car is obviously 1960's as said.
I'm wondering what those front over-riders are from?

Another make did use parts-bin over-riders in 64. And they were Frogeye ones, see pic
]

Anyone know what the over-riders are from on the mystery car?
What is the car in the black and white photo, is it a Ginetta?
Ginetta G11
No, see my above reply. It's the road-going LHD G10.



Better looking than a DB4 and similar 150mph! biggrin




Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 16th November 01:13

uk66fastback

16,548 posts

271 months

Wednesday 16th November 2016
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So, the Ginetta used Frogeye rear over-riders. The mystery car also has (different) over-riders ...

?? What more do we know now than we didn't before ? ! smile

52classic

2,529 posts

210 months

Wednesday 16th November 2016
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I think the over-riders on the mystery car are Triumph Herald.

blade runner

1,029 posts

212 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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52classic said:
I think the over-riders on the mystery car are Triumph Herald.
Pretty sure they're not from a Herald. Herald ones are much taller, have flat inner edges (not curved like on the mystery car) and also a cut-out section where the bumper bar does through.


52classic

2,529 posts

210 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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I agree you're right Blade Runner.... But they do look familiar.

838HNK

605 posts

219 months

Sunday 20th November 2016
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So still no cigar and I know the front is completely wrong but this is a Williams and Pritchard Prototype Lotus .... the styling is later ( Lotus is D reg) than the mystery car but seems to have some design similarities. The flat glass rear window - side vent - wheels (ish) and its a one off I think ..

And yes I know the front is nothing like "Mystery" .... rear door lines are wrong ... roofline is slightly out etc but this one is driving me mad ....

Anyone got any earlier Williams and Pritchard prototype photos ??






dandarez

13,287 posts

283 months

Sunday 20th November 2016
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uk66fastback said:
So, the Ginetta used Frogeye rear over-riders. The mystery car also has (different) over-riders ...

?? What more do we know now than we didn't before ? ! smile
Nothing.
Except it would be nice to know what the over-riders are from on the mystery car. smile

Triumph Herald mentioned then discounted.

However, there are a variety of Herald (and Spitfire - launch 1962 Motor Show) derivatives which could still be relevant. I am still not sure they 'are' Triumph but everything is worth looking at before discounting.

And Vitesse for example (again, 62 launch).

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ImagePopUp.aspx?i=GRID...

uk66fastback

16,548 posts

271 months

Sunday 20th November 2016
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It's a great shame that the website giving the history of W&P is permanently down. Did anyone ever try and make contact with the guy who ran it?

dandarez

13,287 posts

283 months

Sunday 20th November 2016
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uk66fastback said:
It's a great shame that the website giving the history of W&P is permanently down. Did anyone ever try and make contact with the guy who ran it?
Whenever I see that abbreviation I think of Wood & Pickett.

Anyway, might help might not, if someone has access to this feature: written by author Mike Lawrence, entitled The Coachbuilders Williams & Pritchard, was in March 1989 Classic and Sportscar magazine, pages 82-88 and includes an interview with Len Pritchard.

My masses of motoring mags are not in any order (at all!) and I can't locate it at the moment, but will try when I have a week spare! LOL.

Personally, I don't think there is any connection with Williams & Pritchard with the mystery car.
Now I've said that... biggrin

galro

776 posts

169 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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838HNK said:
Anyone got any earlier Williams and Pritchard prototype photos ??

I've posted the majority of their known works over on the coachbuild forum. You will need to register an account to see pictures.

http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=99...

It's not like any cars they have made that I'm aware of.

BTW: The Lotus you posted was not a prototype. It was just a one-off special constructed for an enthusiast in Switzerland.


Edited by galro on Monday 21st November 00:58