Classics left to die/rotting pics - Vol 2
Discussion
I'm sure I read a story a few years ago of one of the
Afghan Rolls Being at the airport being used as some type of tug but having been pretty shot up as a result of the conflict. I'm always amazed when these cars turn up.
I've worked in some odd places and can remember coming across a 30's Peugeot in a back street yard in Conakry, West Africa. Really pretty drop head bodywork however like most things in that country held together by string.
Afghan Rolls Being at the airport being used as some type of tug but having been pretty shot up as a result of the conflict. I'm always amazed when these cars turn up.
I've worked in some odd places and can remember coming across a 30's Peugeot in a back street yard in Conakry, West Africa. Really pretty drop head bodywork however like most things in that country held together by string.
Andy 308GTB said:
BeastieBoy73 said:
Pretty sure I'm the Uncle Nobhead in our family...
Every family has an Uncle Nobhead. If you don't know who the Uncle Nobhead is in your family, then you are Uncle Nobhead.
Storer said:
I understand the desire to see different cars at Classic car events. I too saw the field of Porsche at Le Mans this year (nearly as bad with Ferraris!). Rather boring, but then I have always been more of an individualist.
But, I am sorry to burst a bubble or two, something rarely seen or ugly or poorly conceived does not make a Classic.
My last word on the subject. Luckily there is room for others to have different (wrong) opinions!
You're not "bursting any bubbles" or "spoiling" anything for anyone. Unless, of course you assume that everyone who views a BX as a classic is going to be devastated that an authority such as yourself has completely destroyed their notion of what they may/may not even regard as a classic car. But, I am sorry to burst a bubble or two, something rarely seen or ugly or poorly conceived does not make a Classic.
My last word on the subject. Luckily there is room for others to have different (wrong) opinions!
How arrogant.
BeastieBoy73 said:
Been walking my dog round a local golf course every night in Nottingham for years and for some reason, tonight, I took a detour and stumbled across a car that must have been pretty rare, even when new...
A Citroen BX GTI 4x4.
That is tremendous. Someone must save it.A Citroen BX GTI 4x4.
Edited by BeastieBoy73 on Monday 25th July 21:39
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Interesting; the 456 in Hans Place (which I park near most weeks), the afghan Rolls, the Bugatti 57 in the lock-up in Cleveland etc, etc all leave me rather cold but that BX really tugs at my heart strings. I guess a part of it is knowing that, over time, it is going to be a hell of a lot rarer than the 456, the Phantom 1 etc...BeastieBoy73 said:
Been walking my dog round a local golf course every night in Nottingham for years and for some reason, tonight, I took a detour and stumbled across a car that must have been pretty rare, even when new...
A Citroen BX GTI 4x4.
That is tremendous. Someone must save it.A Citroen BX GTI 4x4.
Edited by BeastieBoy73 on Monday 25th July 21:39
I've just looked through past MOTs and it's not pretty reading. Not been on the road for about 2 years and previous tests failed because of excessive corrosion to suspension components and wiring problems.
And whilst they've been repaired, have they only been repaired to get through a test?
And whilst they've been repaired, have they only been repaired to get through a test?
Andy 308GTB said:
BeastieBoy73 said:
Pretty sure I'm the Uncle Nobhead in our family...
Every family has an Uncle Nobhead. If you don't know who the Uncle Nobhead is in your family, then you are Uncle Nobhead.
To me, a classic is just a vehicle of another era. So, at the moment that is the 80's and early 90's and before.
While I wouldn't want an, for example, Allegro in my garage I completely respect those who do and good for them. It's still a classic and brings back memories to me when I see one of them of when I first leant to drive and all the police round my way drove them (and the whole fleet all had the reg: NOF ###X so you could tell the unmarked ones easily
).
While I wouldn't want an, for example, Allegro in my garage I completely respect those who do and good for them. It's still a classic and brings back memories to me when I see one of them of when I first leant to drive and all the police round my way drove them (and the whole fleet all had the reg: NOF ###X so you could tell the unmarked ones easily
).What makes a classic is a mystery.
Which of these is/should be a classic?
Who can doubt the M1, or the Esprit? But the Isuzu Piazza (US Impulse)??
All from the same designer, Guigiaro, all with similar lines, but the Piazza has slipped away.
I owned one from new for twenty years, eventually sold it to another fan.
For very little, as there was no demand.
John
Which of these is/should be a classic?
Who can doubt the M1, or the Esprit? But the Isuzu Piazza (US Impulse)??
All from the same designer, Guigiaro, all with similar lines, but the Piazza has slipped away.
I owned one from new for twenty years, eventually sold it to another fan.
For very little, as there was no demand.
John
tapkaJohnD said:
What makes a classic is a mystery.
Which of these is/should be a classic?
Who can doubt the M1, or the Esprit? But the Isuzu Piazza (US Impulse)??
All from the same designer, Guigiaro, all with similar lines, but the Piazza has slipped away.
I owned one from new for twenty years, eventually sold it to another fan.
For very little, as there was no demand.
John
Coming from your example, styling alone doesn't make a classic.Which of these is/should be a classic?
Who can doubt the M1, or the Esprit? But the Isuzu Piazza (US Impulse)??
All from the same designer, Guigiaro, all with similar lines, but the Piazza has slipped away.
I owned one from new for twenty years, eventually sold it to another fan.
For very little, as there was no demand.
John
The M1 is the first mid-engined BMW built for homologation, featuring some technology that was not available for mass produced cars at that time.
The Esprit clearly benefited from Lotus' F1 engagement; having also a then rare turbo-charged 4cyl (mid-)engine, the image from 007 appearance and good on-road performance (in absolute terms).
Both of these cars were only sold in small numbers because they were expensive in absolute terms.
The Isuzu on the other hand was marketed under different brands worldwide and sold in small numbers, because it was expensive in relative terms. Example: the newer MX-5 is, despite not having Italian styling, more received as a classic, despite having sold in larger numbers at a lower price.
Having said that, for me the Isuzu is a classic alone for being so rare nowadays. Just like the Allegro.
JumboBeef said:
To me, a classic is just a vehicle of another era. So, at the moment that is the 80's and early 90's and before.
While I wouldn't want an, for example, Allegro in my garage I completely respect those who do and good for them. It's still a classic and brings back memories to me when I see one of them of when I first leant to drive and all the police round my way drove them (and the whole fleet all had the reg: NOF ###X so you could tell the unmarked ones easily ).
For me, this post sums it up.While I wouldn't want an, for example, Allegro in my garage I completely respect those who do and good for them. It's still a classic and brings back memories to me when I see one of them of when I first leant to drive and all the police round my way drove them (and the whole fleet all had the reg: NOF ###X so you could tell the unmarked ones easily
).Anything from another era.
It doesn't need to be good, or coveted, it just needs to be older than the current crop of lookalikes.
I think the term "retro" works well for cars that aren't seen as proper classics, but they are all interesting in their own way.
sim16v said:
JumboBeef said:
To me, a classic is just a vehicle of another era. So, at the moment that is the 80's and early 90's and before.
While I wouldn't want an, for example, Allegro in my garage I completely respect those who do and good for them. It's still a classic and brings back memories to me when I see one of them of when I first leant to drive and all the police round my way drove them (and the whole fleet all had the reg: NOF ###X so you could tell the unmarked ones easily ).
For me, this post sums it up.While I wouldn't want an, for example, Allegro in my garage I completely respect those who do and good for them. It's still a classic and brings back memories to me when I see one of them of when I first leant to drive and all the police round my way drove them (and the whole fleet all had the reg: NOF ###X so you could tell the unmarked ones easily
).Anything from another era.
It doesn't need to be good, or coveted, it just needs to be older than the current crop of lookalikes.
I think the term "retro" works well for cars that aren't seen as proper classics, but they are all interesting in their own way.
Not intentionally antigonising folk but here's another pic of the BX.
I popped round to see if the owners had any plans to sell the car on behalf of a fellow PH'er. They weren't in...
Can has a factory sunroof and cloth interior (not sure why but I'd expected leather). Their was also a spare bonnet on the back seat. At a glance, the top side of the car looks to be in great shape. As has been suggested on previous pages, it's likely underneath that trouble lurks...
I popped round to see if the owners had any plans to sell the car on behalf of a fellow PH'er. They weren't in...
Can has a factory sunroof and cloth interior (not sure why but I'd expected leather). Their was also a spare bonnet on the back seat. At a glance, the top side of the car looks to be in great shape. As has been suggested on previous pages, it's likely underneath that trouble lurks...
Strela said:
BeastieBoy73 said:
Wow. Genuinely staggered by the reaction my post of the locally found BX GTI has created...
I think you knew exactly what you were doing.It's made the whole Brexit thing look like a bit of playful hairpulling. One more picture of this and I'm going to come round there and shove it up my own arse. Where I can have a proper look at it.
The car is in Edwalton, Nottingham. I'd suggest dusting off the cobwebs prior to shoving it anywhere untoward...
BeastieBoy73 said:
Not intentionally antigonising folk but here's another pic of the BX.
I popped round to see if the owners had any plans to sell the car on behalf of a fellow PH'er. They weren't in...
Can has a factory sunroof and cloth interior (not sure why but I'd expected leather). Their was also a spare bonnet on the back seat. At a glance, the top side of the car looks to be in great shape. As has been suggested on previous pages, it's likely underneath that trouble lurks...
It does look like it may have some bodywork problems, but everything is repairable with enough motivation. The 4X4 BX GTI must be a rare thing now - they never were particularly common. They're not really my thing, but it must be worth saving to a Citroen enthusiast - they were a well regarded car in their day and well worthy of restoration, even if it makes little financial sense to do. But restoring old cars rarely does!I popped round to see if the owners had any plans to sell the car on behalf of a fellow PH'er. They weren't in...
Can has a factory sunroof and cloth interior (not sure why but I'd expected leather). Their was also a spare bonnet on the back seat. At a glance, the top side of the car looks to be in great shape. As has been suggested on previous pages, it's likely underneath that trouble lurks...
MoT history suggests it failed on the rear subframe mounts, which is one of the most common areas of failure, and probably one of the most involving too (to do it properly anyway). Not impossible though, and someone who enjoys a bit of fab-work would enjoy it. Difficulty is that because it's a 4x4, the rear transmission gubbins would all need removing too.
This is a thread I'm doing on a BX (one of about a million I've got) and on this car I've had to do the same repairs the 4x4 will need:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Difference is I only had to remove the subframe and the fuel tank. Would be much more involving on a 4x4!
80k miles though, according to the MoT docs, so chances are it's in pretty good shape otherwise. It's still got the 4x4 rear bumper valance too, which is the rarest bit.
This is a thread I'm doing on a BX (one of about a million I've got) and on this car I've had to do the same repairs the 4x4 will need:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Difference is I only had to remove the subframe and the fuel tank. Would be much more involving on a 4x4!
80k miles though, according to the MoT docs, so chances are it's in pretty good shape otherwise. It's still got the 4x4 rear bumper valance too, which is the rarest bit.
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