Harbingers of doom rejoice, classic car prices chat thread
Discussion
Hugh Jarse said:
Certainly an interesting time for personal motoring...... Then the non-ABS, manual steering cars will be cherished....
Or banned!I can never see self driving cars being permitted until those driven by humans are banned. They simply could never share the same black-top. And if they do ban the manual car, all classics would become worthless museum pieces IMHO
Im pretty sure there can be a workaround, as long as you emit a signal to register your presence to the network then stay within a margin of distance to the car in front when in traffic, likewise maintain the allotted speed margin when in traffic.
Fear not.
Although life in heavily populated areas will get duller.
On the positive side, the chances of you being SUV-squished in your cornflake-packet-retro-safety-cell will reduce.
Fear not.
Although life in heavily populated areas will get duller.
On the positive side, the chances of you being SUV-squished in your cornflake-packet-retro-safety-cell will reduce.
Well, with the new child-friendly fronts on cars and all vehicles being electronically speed-controlled by satellite and black boxes, any chance of eradicating the snotters is going to be unlikely. I remember growing up, sitting on the kerb with feet in the gutter, eyes closed, having bets with friends that I could tell the car by the exhaust note. Why did they always get the Moggies though?
We often ran to the front window when we heard something good coming down the road. More often than not it was a Moggie or (oddly) a VW LT van!
My all-time favourite was a rally spec. MG Metro 6R4. There used to be a club rally once-a-year on a nearby disused airfield. The 6R4 driver used to nip down town to get chips and fuel during the lunch break. You could hear him driving all the way there and all the way back.
My all-time favourite was a rally spec. MG Metro 6R4. There used to be a club rally once-a-year on a nearby disused airfield. The 6R4 driver used to nip down town to get chips and fuel during the lunch break. You could hear him driving all the way there and all the way back.
The Surveyor said:
Or banned!
I can never see self driving cars being permitted until those driven by humans are banned. They simply could never share the same black-top. And if they do ban the manual car, all classics would become worthless museum pieces IMHO
Scary thoughtI can never see self driving cars being permitted until those driven by humans are banned. They simply could never share the same black-top. And if they do ban the manual car, all classics would become worthless museum pieces IMHO
The vague prospect that petrol might be rationed, and sports cars with engines over 1.0 litre outlawed in years to come in a new utopian green world, spurred me on to buy some V8's to enjoy while I could enjoy them (really)
An electric mobility scooter in later life will still feel a huge disappointment but I will at least have my memories. Unless of course I develop Alzheiemers....
I don't think it should be under estimated that there is an entire generation in the UK, the Millenial group, who have been raised with a very different mindset to everyone else and they are less than ten years away from starting to appear in positions of significant seniority and making their mark on society. There is a significant chance that this generation will see classic cars are the worst of all the evil offending vehicles.
rovermorris999 said:
The Age of Stupid is approaching fast, if it isn't already here.
They got it from their parents who were too busy funnelling every bit of other people's money into their pensions, closing all the loopholes they benefitted from behind them, deregulating capital markets and awarding themselves massive pay rises that they seem to have been too busy to give their offspring a good slap. 
In all seriousness, they aren't stupid they are just a reaction to the massive accidental excess of their parents' generation.
But I think it will lead to some major changes for the rest of us as they sculpt the world to fit their thinking. Being naturally pessimistic I am assuming that in ten years time I will be spending a day of leisure being driven by a computerised car to the countryside where I will spend a day shouting 'bang' at holograms of birds, followed by a hearty meal of tofu before ending the day by writing out a cheque to the Govt for 99% of my earnings and handing over all my possessions to benefit those who have chosen the enlightens path of playing computer games and eating pizza.
DonkeyApple said:
I don't think it should be under estimated that there is an entire generation in the UK, the Millenial group, who have been raised with a very different mindset to everyone else and they are less than ten years away from starting to appear in positions of significant seniority and making their mark on society. There is a significant chance that this generation will see classic cars are the worst of all the evil offending vehicles.
Classic Cars are an insignificant constituency in the great scheme of things. Whether 'millennials' will have any regard for classic cars at all is something long term investors might want to consider though.Cars aren't the major items in family life they used to be (dads spending weekends underneath them or washing them) and so they are not likely to have made the same imprint on millennials as they did on previous generations.
They may be as fond of cars as we are of microwave ovens, and be as bemused as we would be by people who like old microwave ovens.
northo said:
This is depressing stuff chaps - can you lighten it up?
It will be interesting to monitor the classic car parc. Currently nearly 700,000 cars registered with DVLA that are over 25 years old - I wonder how that will change.
On rereading my comments it does come over very gloomy which wasn't really my intention.It will be interesting to monitor the classic car parc. Currently nearly 700,000 cars registered with DVLA that are over 25 years old - I wonder how that will change.
What I really mean is that classics are unlikely to be roped in with normal cars for restrictive legislation - there's so few of them. So that's a good thing.
I think we are reasonably safe on the open road and in the countryside and market towns. What I do think is likely to happen is that we'll get excluded from a lot of dense urban areas which are under increasing pressure on local air quality. But that won't be just about classics, that'll be anything that's not Euro V or better, and in some cases city centres will go full-electric quite quickly now.
Surprisingly, the London ULEZ which comes into force in 2020 will actually continue to allow 1972-build and earlier cars, it's just everything from 1972 and 2006 that will be excluded (unless you choose to pay a heft daily charge)
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
Surprisingly, the London ULEZ which comes into force in 2020 will actually continue to allow 1972-build and earlier cars, it's just everything from 1972 and 2006 that will be excluded (unless you choose to pay a heft daily charge)
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
Edited by Lowtimer on Thursday 18th February 19:54
Strela said:
Sold for 7k six months ago
http://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2015-08...
Now 25k! And apparently now without the front seats, which notoriously drag down values of Italian cars.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C711704#
Get 'em while they're hot!
I'm guessing the chap at the auction was bidding for the seats (and maybe some other parts which have also been stripped) for his more valuable car and is now clearing the rest out?http://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2015-08...
Now 25k! And apparently now without the front seats, which notoriously drag down values of Italian cars.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C711704#
Get 'em while they're hot!
To be fair, what we don't know is the relativity of the two prices. Maybe the £7k was a comical steal?
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